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Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#81
post #67

Yes, Bootstrap is great. Honestly, I love using it. But where are all the people that I used to see screeching about semantic markup? Because this takes things in exactly the opposite direction.

yeah, like using for icons http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#edef-I

They don't use anymore. They use class icon.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#82

Yes, Bootstrap is great. Honestly, I love using it. But where are all the people that I used to see screeching about semantic markup? Because this takes things in exactly the opposite direction.

Although - the implementations used in Bootstrap could be translated to a more semantic approach by using SASS or LESS mixins instead of classes. This is the approach used by the Susy grid system included with Compass. I see Bootstrap as a open-sourced library of tested cross-browser solutions to a reasonable set of challenges in modern front-end coding. As such I'm hoping it is possible to port a lot of it to a "sem…

I suspect it's not possible to port it to "semantic markup"

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#83
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing that out. That seems like an odd design decision. Edit: I wonder what motivated it. "i" for images and no one uses it to italicize text anymore?

yeah my best guess is that "i" for "icon", it's a good use, from the w3c "their use is discouraged in favor of style sheets." so I guess it doesn't really hurt no one, but the purists, or am I wrong?

Bootstrap is kind of aimed for HTML5, and "Font Style Elements" form HTML 4.01 got a new life in this spec (including previously deprecated S and U), with redefined semantics. Using I for icon is still wrong even by new definition.

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/...

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#84
post #81
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, like using for icons http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#edef-I

They don't use anymore. They use class icon.

It looks like they still do. From http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/base-css.html#icons

How to use

With v2.0.0, we have opted to use an tag for all our icons, but they have no case class—only a shared prefix. To use, place the following code just about anywhere:

  

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#85
post #56

My only fear is that widespread use of these kind of pre-designed frameworks might create a homogenized web. I understand that you can re-skin but I'm thinking many folks will go with the pre-built look/feel. Even so, this is awesome for getting stuff out quickly. Great job.

I hope it WILL create a more homogenized web. Seriously, how many different kinds of push buttons do we need. The design creativity can better be applied elsewhere.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#87
I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here.

Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional.

However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At least not in its entirety.

If you have to use this for your project due to convenience or lack of design skills then do everyone a favor and mix it up a little bit. Change the colors on the buttons. Avoid the black bar running along the top of your website. Just don't look 100% like a vanilla bootstrap site.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#88

Bootstrap 2.0 + WordPress = #win ? Anyone knows if there is any theme out there w/ Bootstrap?

I found two, but they are not worth mentioning. They just copy the graphic elements instead of using the CSS library. For a WP framework that uses a good CSS library, see xtreme-one (it uses YAML). This match (general CSS lib + wordpress theme) is great, I agree.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#89
post #17

Can someone compare and contrast Boostrap 2.0 with ZURB Foundation? I've been using Foundation for a new project and am really digging the responsive layout features.

Foundation uses s with its form fields (eg. , etc), which just makes it annoying to style if you want to style anything ever so slightly out of the box Zurb puts you in.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

#90

I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

Bootstrap is not overused; just under customized.

In all fairness, what this proves is that there is a fairly large market for such packaged customization themes which are built thoughtfully and work on all resolutions.

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