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Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by loucal »

jamiequint wrote: post #95
VonLipwig wrote: post #87

I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

"Just don't look 100% like a vanilla bootstrap site." Unless you're targeting developers or Silicon Valley who cares? Most people couldn't tell you the difference between a Bootstrap site or a non-bootstrap site, even if they could its unlikely they would actually care. As a dev who admittedly sucks at CSS I'll take better looking and clone-like (and cross-browser) over ugly and unique any day.

I agree with you 100% here Jamie. Any non-developer I have shown the bootstap styling to just says it looks very professional, even if it is the 'vanilla bootstrap site'. Admittedly, I do agree that it some customizing should be done since it is very simple, but I wouldn't say changing the button colors is world-changing.

Also, check out oss/bootstrap/docs/download.html#variables a new feature in the docs that makes customizing really easy even for someone who doesn't know CSS!

It just looks like you chimed in to show the negative side, but didn't even check out the new code.

Thank you to anyone who worked on the project, 2.0 is awesome. Responsive design is nailed down, adding and removing components is even easier than before and the docs are awesome. Good stuff here.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by whatusername »

scorpion032 wrote: post #99
dglassan wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has already been proved by themeforest.net years ago with their admin templates

True. Clearly their time is divided into doing so many of those themes. Instead, if they did a (or a few) authoritative themes with compass css with such good documentation as bootstrap and their theme works at all resolutions, I'm sure people will use that one too.

Themeforest is a marketplace. They make money no matter which one you buy.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by jsavimbi »

conroy wrote: post #92
VonLipwig wrote: post #87

I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

I've found the best use for Bootstrap is internal sites and tools. The public never sees these tools so they are usually stuck with terrible UI and UX. Bootstrap makes these tools so much easier to write.

Same here.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by loucal »

pdk wrote: post #60

Has anyone compared this to the Skeleton responsive grid? I like that the styling on skeleton is more minimalist, but worry that I'm missing on some features from Bootstrap.

They are different. In months past I have been mashing up components of bootstrap with skeleton (as well as 2 excellent others, golden grid system and frameless by @jonikorpi) in order to have sensible css defaults that work responsively. GGS made some things possible without modification that were very tough to implement in skeleton (like the footer at the bottom of goldengridsystem.com)

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by digitaltoad »

damncabbage wrote: post #89
slewis wrote: post #17

Can someone compare and contrast Boostrap 2.0 with ZURB Foundation? I've been using Foundation for a new project and am really digging the responsive layout features.

Foundation uses s with its form fields (eg. , etc), which just makes it annoying to style if you want to style anything ever so slightly out of the box Zurb puts you in.

I use Foundation and haven't had to use any
with forms, nor have I even thought about it.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by fonzie »

While I think Bootstrap is fantastic and helpful, my only worry is overreliance and under customisation, thus a decrease in creativity.

I would be a little bit sad if every new web app I visited overused Bootstrap and stuck to that now increasingly popular design.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by yatsyk »

VonLipwig wrote: post #87

I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

Bootstrap looks better then 95% of sites in internets. Actually I hope that more and more sites will use bootstrap. I've tired of different look and feel. There are zillions of autocompletes and everyone behaves differently (different animations, keyboard shortcuts and so on). Even buttons works differently on different sites.

If you look at iPhone or Mac or Windows application they looks the same as other application on particular platform and no one annoyed. Each application use same keyboard shortcuts and controls and frequently share same colors. There is even UI recommendations for most of the platforms. You could use owner-drawn controls for sure but it usually they are used only if default controls are unsuitable for some task or in games.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by charliepark »

scorpion032 wrote: post #90
VonLipwig wrote: post #87

I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

Bootstrap is not overused; just under customized. In all fairness, what this proves is that there is a fairly large market for such packaged customization themes which are built thoughtfully and work on all resolutions.

Speaking of this, I built a tool using jQuery and Twitter Bootstrap itself that lets you customize the button's hue, saturation, lightness, and "puffiness". You can see it here: http://charliepark.org/bootstrap_buttons/.

Any discussion on it will hopefully be at the HN thread I just submitted (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3538053).

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Post by brlewis »

VonLipwig wrote: post #87

I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

You're advising people who lack design skills to change the colors? How about just advising them to focus on the content and functionality of the site they're building. If they do that, you won't have to tell them to remove the black bar. They'll remove it if it doesn't help the site.
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