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Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by mike_esspe »

mekazu wrote: post #30
TylerE wrote: post #26

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Yes, it's dead. But basically minus the government stuff. Well, there is NPR (National Public Radio) which is about 15-25% government funded, but that's typically news/talk/classical. Some of the edgier NPR stations might have an acoustic rock/folk set at midnight on a Friday...

What do you think killed it? How do people find good music without having to filter through all the rubbish? Does the industry rely on advertising to sell bad music? Are "Top 40" artists built by record companies and sold on TV and/or the internet? Does good music travel through word of mouth by people in-the-know? iTunes is pretty and all but I can't picture people paying to download without having heard the music s…

For me it's friends recommendations and Last.fm, Pandora was also good until they closed their service for the outside world.

BTW, I'm using youtube to check the recommendation before getting the album.

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by mekazu »

krakensden wrote: post #39
mekazu wrote: post #30

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What do you think killed it? How do people find good music without having to filter through all the rubbish? Does the industry rely on advertising to sell bad music? Are "Top 40" artists built by record companies and sold on TV and/or the internet? Does good music travel through word of mouth by people in-the-know? iTunes is pretty and all but I can't picture people paying to download without having heard the music s…

I don't work in radio, I'm not a radio historian, so there's a good chance I'm violently wrong- but my pet theory is that advertising killed radio in the US. You have to fit into a small number of surprisingly rigid categories in order to participate in the big money advertising campaigns, and if you don't have those, you're liable to go dark. There are exceptions, like the Pacifica network and oddities like KPIG, bu…

You paint a pretty bleak picture. Does anybody have any examples of USA radio that is intelligent, artist focused, youth oriented, community driven, ad free, subscription free, streaming on-line, etc? There are plenty to choose from on tunein.com but I'm looking for highlights. Sorry if this is heading too far from the topic.

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by Natsu »

nekojima wrote: post #31
sausagefeet wrote: post #27

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Weren't 2009 and 2010 Hollywood's most profitable years?

Using GAAP or HUAP? (Hollywood's Unacceptable Accounting Practices) :-/

Hollywood Accounting is used to make them look incredibly unprofitable so that they do not have to share the profits, so I don't think they'd be very profitable according to that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by masklinn »

PakG1 wrote: post #32
sausagefeet wrote: post #27

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Weren't 2009 and 2010 Hollywood's most profitable years?

Meaning that Hollywood isn't bleeding because of the Internet, the Internet has no negative impact on Hollywood, or you going further, that the Internet actually helps Hollywood information get distributed even better? I'd say the latter. It's so much easier for me to find movie trailers, reviews, and learn about movies I didn't even know existed.

Just that hollywood is full of shit when they claim the internet is killing creative industries. There isn't enough hard evidence for the rest.

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by krakensden »

mekazu wrote: post #42
krakensden wrote: post #39

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I don't work in radio, I'm not a radio historian, so there's a good chance I'm violently wrong- but my pet theory is that advertising killed radio in the US. You have to fit into a small number of surprisingly rigid categories in order to participate in the big money advertising campaigns, and if you don't have those, you're liable to go dark. There are exceptions, like the Pacifica network and oddities like KPIG, bu…

You paint a pretty bleak picture. Does anybody have any examples of USA radio that is intelligent, artist focused, youth oriented, community driven, ad free, subscription free, streaming on-line, etc? There are plenty to choose from on tunein.com but I'm looking for highlights. Sorry if this is heading too far from the topic.

That's a lot of qualifiers there.

KPIG is pretty great, but they have ads.

There are lots of college radio stations (check out KDVS and KALX) that are pretty amusing, but they're not so much "community driven" as "driven by the people who show up and pay their dues". That may seem like nitpicking to you, but it seems very relevant after an hour of frogs and Star Trek samples.

NPR stations, Pacifica stations, kind of sort of don't have ads, but they do have sponsors and pledge drives. They are pretty old-people oriented.

I'm sure someone who is slightly less NorCal centric can improve on this list.

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by minikomi »

mekazu wrote: post #21

Is radio dead in the USA? In Australia I think the radio culture is quite vibrant. Personally I download music from time to time that sits on my phone but I listen to the radio 99% of the time because it introduces and plays the best music anyway. The radio stations that I listen to are govt funded[1] so they don't have any ads and have a community focus of getting people to go see live concerts and listen to good mu…

I miss radio in Australia a lot now that I'm in Japan - the stations here are terrible (at least in the daytime)..

Adelaide, where I used to live, has only a population of 1.2 million and had three(!) quite active community stations (subscribers pay a good deal of the cost + a little advertizing, the shows are staffed by volunteers..)

http://radio.adelaide.edu.au/ http://www.threedradio.com/ http://fresh927.com.au/

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by DaveMebs »

mekazu wrote: post #42
krakensden wrote: post #39

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I don't work in radio, I'm not a radio historian, so there's a good chance I'm violently wrong- but my pet theory is that advertising killed radio in the US. You have to fit into a small number of surprisingly rigid categories in order to participate in the big money advertising campaigns, and if you don't have those, you're liable to go dark. There are exceptions, like the Pacifica network and oddities like KPIG, bu…

You paint a pretty bleak picture. Does anybody have any examples of USA radio that is intelligent, artist focused, youth oriented, community driven, ad free, subscription free, streaming on-line, etc? There are plenty to choose from on tunein.com but I'm looking for highlights. Sorry if this is heading too far from the topic.

KEXP pretty much fits the bill. http://www.kexp.org/

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by chris11 »

mekazu wrote: post #42
krakensden wrote: post #39

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I don't work in radio, I'm not a radio historian, so there's a good chance I'm violently wrong- but my pet theory is that advertising killed radio in the US. You have to fit into a small number of surprisingly rigid categories in order to participate in the big money advertising campaigns, and if you don't have those, you're liable to go dark. There are exceptions, like the Pacifica network and oddities like KPIG, bu…

You paint a pretty bleak picture. Does anybody have any examples of USA radio that is intelligent, artist focused, youth oriented, community driven, ad free, subscription free, streaming on-line, etc? There are plenty to choose from on tunein.com but I'm looking for highlights. Sorry if this is heading too far from the topic.

Colorado Public Radio started Open Air, which is a radio station focusing on new and recent music. You should check it out. Unfortunately while it streams online, offline it is just an am radio station, so I haven't listened to it much because of the poor reception.

http://www.openaircpr.org/

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by i-am-strawman »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #6

We have come to accept a vast panoply of behaviors of sharing creative works and of allowing people to "consume" music, art, movies, etc. without directly compensating the creators. Radio, television, libraries, used books, etc. We accept such things largely because we've grown used to them. We have lived long enough in an era of libraries and radio to understand that they do not destroy the ability of artists to mak…

Well, to be fair, the "comfort zone" of the movie makers in particular is "If you copy this movie, we will sic the FBI on you to the tune of $LOTS and enforce SEVERE CRIMINAL PENALTIES"

No kidding, I'm sure you've seen this hundreds of times, every time you watch a DVD. It really says that.

The MPAA has gotten the highest law enforcement organization in the land, the FBI, to chase down the criminals who...wait for it...

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share.

It has become a crime to share.

Do you see how this might be a problem? People know it is within their natural rights to share. And when the authorities say "no sharing", they may get away with it for a while, but eventually people will come to realize that the laws are being made by people who would like to squander scarce law enforcement resources, resources that should be spent on protecting the people, on reinforcing the tyranny of copyright law and prosecuting people who share.

Re: Neil Young is right — piracy is the new radio

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Post by davidw »

alexqgb wrote: post #34
mohene1 wrote: post #29

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Museums - Examples of donations: Julian and Josie Robertson donate Picasso to North Carolina Museum of Art http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/story/7107735/ http://thesouthern.com/news/breaking/new-york-collectors-don... Radio and Record Companies work in conjunction Music-formatted radio stations both commercial and non-commercial get their music for free from record labels. http://www.musicbizacademy.com/kna…

So what? The industry has changed. It's no longer possible to make outrageous profits by selling copies with tremendous markups. So people increase the price for live events. Other people pay them. The world changes. Life goes on. I mean, what do you want? Time to stop? Progress to end? Change to be abolished? This isn't actually a joke. Lots of people with a vested interest in the current extent of intellectual prop…

Comparing people scared of change in IP rights to slave owners is a bit over the top.

Can we try and keep discussions about this stuff serious and intellectually honest?

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