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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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These always come up and there's always this internet-commenter tendency to be like "I KNEW IT: SMARTPHONES/INTERNET/LACK-OF-RELIGION/ABCDEFG ANYTHING OF THE LAST 20 YEARS I HATE", which is fine for a hypothesis and worth somebody saying once. But it's really just a hypothesis. Another hypothesis is that it's environmental. There's a lot of research showing depression and stress are correlated with inflammation. Ther…

> There are a number of other health biomarkers that are going bad fast (sperm-count, testosterone) Which one caused which? Does hanging out on Reddit 8 hours a day not have an effect on sperm-count; or is the decline in sperm-count part of the reason you are on Reddit?

The phrase "positive feedback loop" seems relevant.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#54
post #41

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> Saw a post on Paul Graham’s twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that’s a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho. That’s…honestly, exactly the combination of race and gender I would expect to be most depressed right now, even thinking only about expectations people have been raised with about the direction of progress for their own co…

Can you expand on your thoughts here? This is not a group whose lives I generally expect to be getting worse (in day-to-day life, barring social media effects).

Huge expectations around women “having it all” clashing into economic uncertainty and the revocation of rights.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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> There are a number of other health biomarkers that are going bad fast (sperm-count, testosterone) Which one caused which? Does hanging out on Reddit 8 hours a day not have an effect on sperm-count; or is the decline in sperm-count part of the reason you are on Reddit?

Or there are confounders, like environmental effects are wrecking hormones. That would cause both of those things.

Unfortunately, you have now stumbled on the extremely politically sensitive elephant in the room.

If it is environmental (microplastics anyone)... do we need to stop producing certain clothes (stretch clothing is particularly bad)? Could this actually be part of the increase in youth identifying as LGBTQ [1]? Is it a greater threat to our survival, health, and well-being than the more palatable issue (but still an issue) of climate change?

[1] Note, I'm not making a hypothesis or taking a position here. However, just admitting that these microplastics and other things are having effects on humans could easily lead to "were these people born this way, or were many of them poisoned that way"? And so, no surprise, nobody wants to talk about it and so the question of if it could just remains unanswered.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #41

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> Saw a post on Paul Graham’s twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that’s a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho. That’s…honestly, exactly the combination of race and gender I would expect to be most depressed right now, even thinking only about expectations people have been raised with about the direction of progress for their own co…

Can you expand on your thoughts here? This is not a group whose lives I generally expect to be getting worse (in day-to-day life, barring social media effects).

Social rank is zero-sum. Better positioning for previously unfavored group/races is the right thing but lowers relative social rank of those above.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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The subpopulation that uses alcohol to deal with life stress likely skews male and more conservative. I recently had a conversation with late '20s guy from a small town in Illinois who said guys in his town at any point in time were either working, hunting or drunk. He felt the need to get out of there.

Guys in his town were either working, pursuing a hobby, or socialising?

Being drunk during all of your free time is socializing?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #46

That’s interesting data. I wonder: is there any possibility that part of the change is because we’re telling kids that it’s okay to admit to depression? I.e., are we just reporting more accurately now?

It is kind of depressing to realize we all inevitably will die, our world will turn to dust, the sun will expire and everything will freeze into a profound and eternal coldness. So, maybe it's Wikipedia's fault?[1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_univers...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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"My disability doesn't define me, but I'm still going to put it as the first thing in my twitter bio." We had a real chance to get something going with occupy and now we aren't allowed to clap at events because clapping is too violent.

>aren't allowed to clap at events because clapping is too violent This is the first I'm hearing about this, where did you see it?

They made it up.
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