Live data from Hacker News

The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

jonathanhaidt.substack.com

31–40 of 514 posts

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#31
I graduated high school around 2010, before all of these dramatic declines in mental health seem to take place, and even back then I remember there being a lot of unhappy people in my peer group. Maybe a certain % of miserable teenagers is guaranteed due to the nature of puberty (and humans).

I hope we find a way to mitigate or reverse the trend these studies are highlighting. Schooling is essential and we can't allow it to become unbearable.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#32
Next step would be to de-correlate smartphone usage, the prime suspect right now, from other trends happening at the same time. I have two daughters in that age range and I don't get the impression that social media is a big stressor for them in particular but I can easily believe that it is one of the primary stress factors for many young women.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#33

Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

These statistics are almost useless for determining rates of mental health issues. They measure mental health as reported by mental health professionals. Of course groups which are antagonistic or dismissive of mental health will be underrepresented. Folks who receive counseling for mental health issues at their Church will also not be represented in these numbers. That doesn't mean these other groups don't have ment…

Fantastic point, and I believe the only comment in this entire thread to accurately assess the discrepancy between the groups mental health professionals have a disproportionate access to.

I would be more interested in seeing the rates of mental health professional access regarding these girls, what's the rate both parents are also talking to their own mental health professionals, their male siblings too, how often do they talk to them, etc. If I were to guess, it would still disproportionately skew towards these girls primarily because of how mental health professionals are viewed as "problem fixers". You go to them, they fix your problem so people assume. I can see many parents encouraging their daughters to speak to one ("fix her depression"), but never seeking help themselves while simultaneously being ignorant to problems their stoic male offspring are dealing with.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#34
These always come up and there's always this internet-commenter tendency to be like "I KNEW IT: SMARTPHONES/INTERNET/LACK-OF-RELIGION/ABCDEFG ANYTHING OF THE LAST 20 YEARS I HATE", which is fine for a hypothesis and worth somebody saying once.

But it's really just a hypothesis.

Another hypothesis is that it's environmental. There's a lot of research showing depression and stress are correlated with inflammation. There are a number of other health biomarkers that are going bad fast (sperm-count, testosterone) and it's known testosterone levels inversely correlate with depression for example. Pollution is also correlated with health and mood.

So rather than declaring it over before the research even begins, let's at least consider environment.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#35
post #24
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta look at which way the cookie crumbles or the beam shears - how stress is distributed in a system. If you take for granted that there is a large amount of emotional strain floating around, where are the outlets? Men bottle it up and retake control (school shootings, as an extreme). People with precarious lives can express the stress as worry and fear (mostly women). Depression is a luxury version of stress - not…

[flagged]

What are you talking about? The person you're replying to didn't mention any of those things

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#36

Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

White liberals are the only demographic with an out-group bias, and women rate higher in negative emotion, so this makes perfect sense to me. out-group bias: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1074524252638982144.html

[flagged]

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#37

Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

I would love to explore Reddit's influence on this phenomenon. The timelines seem to sync somewhat and it seems like a perfect vehicle for adversarial nation states to use to influence public opinion.

Also falls perfectly within what Yuri Bezmenov (the KGB defector who explained the Soviet's plan to take down the West through ideological subversion) laid out.

At around that time, you would have the first batch of fully indoctrinated (trained by Socialists from childhood to adulthood, with no oversight or counterbalance) graduating.

That is also the group that sets the stage for the demoralisation phase of the plan and allows for the next phase: destabilisation.

Good summary here: https://www.oaoa.com/opinion/columnists/hart-kgb-defector-re...

And the original interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

I don't think this is purely a Soviet ploy working out, but you can't help but look at the Western education system and realise that's a big part of the problem.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#38
post #24
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta look at which way the cookie crumbles or the beam shears - how stress is distributed in a system. If you take for granted that there is a large amount of emotional strain floating around, where are the outlets? Men bottle it up and retake control (school shootings, as an extreme). People with precarious lives can express the stress as worry and fear (mostly women). Depression is a luxury version of stress - not…

[flagged]

> How did you become so misinformed?

Personal attacks are against the site rules. Don't post like this here.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#39
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These statistics are almost useless for determining rates of mental health issues. They measure mental health as reported by mental health professionals. Of course groups which are antagonistic or dismissive of mental health will be underrepresented. Folks who receive counseling for mental health issues at their Church will also not be represented in these numbers. That doesn't mean these other groups don't have ment…

The subpopulation that uses alcohol to deal with life stress likely skews male and more conservative. I recently had a conversation with late '20s guy from a small town in Illinois who said guys in his town at any point in time were either working, hunting or drunk. He felt the need to get out of there.

Guys in his town were either working, pursuing a hobby, or socialising?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#40
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

One of the odder changes in the behavior of people on the left in recent times is going from "I'm a person, not a label" to "Look at all the labels I have!"

"My disability doesn't define me, but I'm still going to put it as the first thing in my twitter bio."

We had a real chance to get something going with occupy and now we aren't allowed to clap at events because clapping is too violent.

Post reply on HN