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Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by ducknalddon »

jsmith99 wrote: post #149
twawaaay wrote: post #53

It is death of an operating system. Before our eyes. Microsoft is trying desperately to squeeze a bit more cash out of it but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product. I already got fed up enough that I basically banned Windows at home and I am impatiently waiting to kill one last Windows box. It is our gaming machine that is generally available to entir…

Do you feel Mac is better? The article is about windows suggesting OneDrive, but Mac also suggests iCloud if you haven't connected it.

Apple isn't anywhere near as intrusive as Microsoft.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by ducknalddon »

Bellend wrote: post #91
flyinghamster wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any time something like this comes up, there's always people it doesn't happen to. It makes me wonder if some random fraction of users get off the hook just to gaslight us.

I'm the same but I don't use PiHole. (I am in UK. Does geography matter?). If I seen ads in my windows start menu, I'd suspect I have a cracked windows copy with a 3rd party spamming me. It's literally that far fetched to me. I always use Pro though as well...

I'm in the UK and I get ads. With or without PiHole doesn't seem to matter.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by eviks »

nice_byte wrote: post #126
pkilgore wrote: post #85

How outrageous! Let me close the Apple Music window for this App I can't uninstall, and that popup that says I can't save my notes unless I have iCloud, and look past the automatically included Apple News and Apple Financed widgets in the notification panel I accidentally opened to go open a browser that defaults to showing me the shortcuts for several third party companies whose services I do not use to get on the i…

Yup. I don't understand why people choose to rag on Microsoft when literally everyone else who has something to sell you besides the OS itself, does this. Maybe it's because Windows is from the era when MS was not a services company, and people, by force of inertia, expect windows to continue behaving as if MS is not a services company.

I don't understand what is there to not understand:

+ Windows is very popular (so awareness is higher)

+ This behavior is bad and annoying

= many people complain

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by midoridensha »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #174
binkHN wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Longtime Windows users here—migrating away because the OS has become a marketing tool instead of the productivity behemoth that it once was. Yes, there are still TONS OF THINGS THAT WINDOWS DOES BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER OS, but what Windows is becoming is causing me to overlook this. The next step for me here will be migrating clients off of Windows on their machines too.

As an proponent of Linux and other FOSS operating systems, I have from time to time remarked that it's wonderful to see the Free options becoming better than Windows... but I do so wish that it had happened by the Free options getting better rather than Windows managing to get so much worse. This is not how I wanted to win.

The primary reason for using FOSS has always been freedom: it's right there in the first letter of the term. Technical superiority has never been the primary reason; it's just always been assumed by some that technical superiority would be a natural byproduct of lots of people working together on a project without a profit motive, but there's really no evidence supporting that. FOSS applications have usually (but not always) been behind their proprietary counterparts, because a for-profit company can afford to pay people to work fulltime on something they might not be all that interested in. There are some exceptions where FOSS software has been class-leading, but I don't think it's really the norm, although I do believe the overall ecosystem is much better for various reasons.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by midoridensha »

tb_technical wrote: post #125

I can't wait for shenanigans like this to make Linux more popular

I've been waiting for this for decades, and it hasn't changed much. Linux is more popular than it was in 1998, I'll admit, and it's pretty standard in some dev environments (depending on your industry), but it's far from taking over desktop computing.

As complacent as most users are, MS could demand one of their kidneys and they'd give it up, grumbling, just so they can keep using Windows (usually to play a game).

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by WeylandYutani »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #145
lotsofpulp wrote: post #49

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That auto pause if your eyes look away.

Funny you say that. Have you noticed how yourube adverts now pause when you scroll into comments?

My YT Vanced recently broke. So I reinstalled stock YT and my god the ads are baaaaaaad. How do people put up with it? Using newpipe now.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by WeylandYutani »

eviks wrote: post #214
nice_byte wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. I don't understand why people choose to rag on Microsoft when literally everyone else who has something to sell you besides the OS itself, does this. Maybe it's because Windows is from the era when MS was not a services company, and people, by force of inertia, expect windows to continue behaving as if MS is not a services company.

I don't understand what is there to not understand: + Windows is very popular (so awareness is higher) + This behavior is bad and annoying = many people complain

People have been using Windows since 1995. Long before ads and services in OS were normalised.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by twawaaay »

midoridensha wrote: post #215
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an proponent of Linux and other FOSS operating systems, I have from time to time remarked that it's wonderful to see the Free options becoming better than Windows... but I do so wish that it had happened by the Free options getting better rather than Windows managing to get so much worse. This is not how I wanted to win.

The primary reason for using FOSS has always been freedom: it's right there in the first letter of the term. Technical superiority has never been the primary reason; it's just always been assumed by some that technical superiority would be a natural byproduct of lots of people working together on a project without a profit motive, but there's really no evidence supporting that. FOSS applications have usually (but not…

It may be (and always felt to me this way) that technical superiority is only one dimension of the problem.

For example the reason I keep using Linux on my machines is not because the OS works better for me -- it definitely does not. Things are crashing or doing stupid things and the entire ecosystem is completely disjoint and not integrated very well.

The reason I use Linux on my desktops is because I know I own the machine and it is doing my bidding (mostly, if we forget about the hardware part...) It is knowledge that if there is a problem there is a path to fix it -- it just depends on how much effort I am willing to expend.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by WeylandYutani »

nightski wrote: post #45
klodolph wrote: post #9

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If you’re a gamer, how do you interact with the computer? You launch Steam, see a bunch of ads, launch Epic Game Store or GOG Galaxy and see a bunch of ads, so why wouldn’t you see ads in the start menu? Hell, you have to log in to an account for the “GeForce Experience”. Just to keep your graphics card drivers automatically updated. As soon as you’re in a game, the game is full-screen. You’re not switching apps, you…

Personally I never see these ads on Windows even though I think they sound terrible. I must just have the right group policy settings or something.

Same, gamers know how to tinker with this stuff. Modding Windows lol.
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