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Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by gtop3 »

deely3 wrote: post #119
grujicd wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Professional is more like $200, and has all that crap as home version.

Erm. No? I use it and I don't remember ads that I can't disable (honestly I don't remember ads in windows except in Edge but thats different story), or some tricky interruption on windows load. Upd: Im about win10.

I have a distinct memory of seeing an advertisement for a windows store game in the start menu of my copy of windows 10 professional in the year 2015. The widows license was $200. I hadn't used windows in years before, and I only used it briefly in 2015.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by kenjackson »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #34
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

It also infuriates me that they won't let you actually say no. It's always "remind me later" or "skip for now" or "try again in 3 days". What has gotten into the minds of these people? Why do they think this is at all acceptable?

An easily accessible option of “never” is probably more reckless. My MIL would always pick never and at the same time expect that her PC is fully protected.

That said there should be a setting for savvy users or enterprises to disable updates.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by wolpoli »

blibble wrote: post #96
gary_0 wrote: post #95

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Microsoft has 95% of the desktop OS market, they can abuse their users with impunity until that number starts to go down.

it's down into the 75% range now and is continuing to drop https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... (reminds me of the IE market share graph actually)

I recall that the IE market share graph behaves like a lagging indicator with significant momentum mass - alternative browsers were technically better and it took years for IE to bleed down the market share. Microsoft needs to be careful with Windows as losing market share is hard to stop/reverse.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

binkHN wrote: post #135
pianoben wrote: post #70

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For what it's worth, a ton of people inside of MSFT are opposed to these changes. The few responsible for them are answering to overwhelming pressure from the Finance side. Every time something like this ships out, guaranteed just about every CVP fields angry/annoyed/exasperated complaints about it.

Longtime Windows users here—migrating away because the OS has become a marketing tool instead of the productivity behemoth that it once was. Yes, there are still TONS OF THINGS THAT WINDOWS DOES BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER OS, but what Windows is becoming is causing me to overlook this. The next step for me here will be migrating clients off of Windows on their machines too.

As an proponent of Linux and other FOSS operating systems, I have from time to time remarked that it's wonderful to see the Free options becoming better than Windows... but I do so wish that it had happened by the Free options getting better rather than Windows managing to get so much worse. This is not how I wanted to win.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by Zuiii »

kenjackson wrote: post #172
mostlysimilar wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also infuriates me that they won't let you actually say no. It's always "remind me later" or "skip for now" or "try again in 3 days". What has gotten into the minds of these people? Why do they think this is at all acceptable?

An easily accessible option of “never” is probably more reckless. My MIL would always pick never and at the same time expect that her PC is fully protected. That said there should be a setting for savvy users or enterprises to disable updates.

The ads typically shown this way rarely related to security. It's usually something that Microsoft wants the user to "agree" to. It's basically physiological coercion.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by lsaferite »

capableweb wrote: post #8

Great, I just updated to Windows 11 in hope of getting WSL2 + Arch Linux + CUDA + Docker but it didn't pan out in the end, had to move back to proper Linux for that piece of work. But seems I'm stuck with Windows 11 now and additionally, the running applications that show up in the taskbar suddenly can only show icons, no text allowed. I started to regret my decision to upgrade, and this just adds insult to injury.

Were you not able to use WSL2+CUDA+Docker on Win10?

I'm currently using that setup and it does use the 2080Ti in this machine and I'm able to run SBERT inferences in a docker container at blisteringly fast speeds now.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by mrits »

blibble wrote: post #96
gary_0 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has 95% of the desktop OS market, they can abuse their users with impunity until that number starts to go down.

it's down into the 75% range now and is continuing to drop https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... (reminds me of the IE market share graph actually)

Does that include pirated copies?

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by GeneralMaximus »

pkilgore wrote: post #85

How outrageous! Let me close the Apple Music window for this App I can't uninstall, and that popup that says I can't save my notes unless I have iCloud, and look past the automatically included Apple News and Apple Financed widgets in the notification panel I accidentally opened to go open a browser that defaults to showing me the shortcuts for several third party companies whose services I do not use to get on the i…

The difference is that ads in Windows don’t go away even if you already subscribe to all possible Microsoft services. I own a license for Windows 11 Pro, pay for Microsoft 365, and use Edge as my default browser. But I’m still shown ads inside Windows. What more do I need to do to stop them??

In contrast, Apple’s ads are slight nudges at best. You can even uninstall the Apple Music app on your iOS device if you want. I’ve done this, and Siri correctly uses the Spotify app to play music every time I ask it to. Can you imagine Microsoft doing the same?

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by apatheticonion »

Windows 10 and 11 have been the single biggest factors pushing me onto Linux as a daily driver.

I currently dual boot my desktop, spending my time 50/50 between Linux and Windows.

Windows mainly for gaming, Linux for work (and some gaming). The biggest annoyance for me in Linux is that Chrome is a bit janky.

I am running Fedora with (as close as possible to vanilla) Gnome. I wish Chrome would just use GTK4 and integrate as seamlessly as Firefox does.

I use it with Wayland support and using the GTK theme option in the menu - but it's still a while away. Edge is better but it's still a bit odd.

Seeing the progress made in the Gnome project and Gnome 44 also being a great release - I have high hopes that my Linux desktop will be a better user experience than Windows or MacOS soon.

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