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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by themitigating »

rayiner wrote: post #691
themitigating wrote: post #689

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" I can’t help but notice your attempt to imply that Florida educators were somehow trying to suppress “Venezuelan, Cuban, and Puerto Rican” authors with your example " I don't know how you are noticing anything when I seriously just picked a random book and said nothing about their ethnicity. No where in my argument did I use that as an argument. "None of the books are "being banned." States are deciding what taxpay…

> That's still a form of a ban. You highlighted that it's taxpayer funded, which to me means it's a violation of the first amendment. If it was a private library then that would be fine. It doesn't violate the first amendment for the same reason it would violate the first amendment for the government to tell Barnes and Noble that it can't stock those books. When the government buys books with taxpayer money and makes…

"Sexual attraction is not a concept that's appropriate to introduce to young children"

Valentine's day is celebrated in schools, countless movies and books talk about marriage, love, and attraction between a man and a woman. You're trying to make same sex attraction a "sex act" instead emotional.

Yes, but the moral value that's being enforced is sheltering children from being exposed to concepts of sex, sexuality, and sexual attraction. Conservative Republicans and evangelicals support that goal, but so do most people

I don't care how many people support it. The majority does not mean you can ignore the constitution.

I have literally never heard my Biden-voting Muslim-immigrant parents say the word "sex" or the Bangladeshi equivalent. And I'm married with three kids!

1.Your personal experience has no value in this conversation.

2. You having a repressed upbringng doesn't prove the opposite. I've never worn a seatbelt and have never been in a crash isn't proof that seat belts don't work.

Finally you come from a country with less rights, especially for woman and you come here and have no issue with taking the rights of another smaller group of people shows your ignorance. Not to mention the people you support along with this would remove muslims from this country if they could. You should be ashamed of yourself

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Post by themitigating »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #697
themitigating wrote: post #690

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Ok that's fair. It turns out that guns are the leading cause of death for kids in the US. Can we make exceptions to the 2nd admendment?

Important to keep in mind that, the Bill of Rights limits the federal government, not individuals. That said, I'd like to see some restrictions/consequences around gun violence in homes, but unsure how that conflicts with 2A; IANAL.

Can states arrest people for what they say?

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Post by altair222 »

whats_a_quasar wrote: post #522
stuckinhell wrote: post #507

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Social media is not the same as it was 10 years ago. The level of which kids compare themselves to other kids took an exponential leap to a near hive mind level. Constantly comparing themselves to the instagram people with fake lives, rich kids, or extremely beautiful people is mentally damaging them. My daughter asked me for plastic surgery, and I was dumbfounded. So I went check her internet logs, and she's been wa…

The mental health of teens and pre-teens has gotten really bad. This isn't just another "think of the children scare." Since the early 2010s the rate of self harm among girls 10-14 has ~tripled, and the rate of suicide among 10-14 year olds has doubled [1]. And there is now lots of evidence that this is because of social media and smartphones. The social lives of kids have changed drastically, in a way that does not…

This has to be one of the most boomer, gaslighting take i've ever seen. Yes, not the constant attack on LGBTQ rights, not the domestic abuses, not the shit education and academic culture, not blatant racism and neo-nazism but smartphones are what caused the mental health issues.

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #691
themitigating wrote: post #689

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" I can’t help but notice your attempt to imply that Florida educators were somehow trying to suppress “Venezuelan, Cuban, and Puerto Rican” authors with your example " I don't know how you are noticing anything when I seriously just picked a random book and said nothing about their ethnicity. No where in my argument did I use that as an argument. "None of the books are "being banned." States are deciding what taxpay…

> That's still a form of a ban. You highlighted that it's taxpayer funded, which to me means it's a violation of the first amendment. If it was a private library then that would be fine. It doesn't violate the first amendment for the same reason it would violate the first amendment for the government to tell Barnes and Noble that it can't stock those books. When the government buys books with taxpayer money and makes…

You realize Bangladesh and West Bengal have extremely open prostitution and that BD is the only country in the region with legalized prostitution? Ever heard of Sonagachi in Calcutta or Kandapara near Dhaka?

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Post by morbia »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #646
morbia wrote: post #633

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Just to be clear, I am not a parent and I would not be so presumptuous to criticise someone's parenting skills when I have not gone through it. I wholeheartedly agree with you that the internet of 2023 is nothing like 2013 (or 2003 when I was growing up), and I don't think your reaction to the situation you described is wrong. Needless to say, parenting in this era is really, really hard and I don't envy you. However…

You may be too deep in the community to appreciate, but younger teens have had family supervision for millennia and for good reason. Their brains are not fully formed yet. That you can think up a problematic case doesn’t mean we throw out the concept for the other 90% of kids that benefit from involved parents. Some of the rest are suicide risks even when not being harassed. They’d benefit as well. I personally grew…

> You may be too deep in the community to appreciate, but younger teens have had family supervision for millennia and for good reason. Their brains are not fully formed yet.

Of course, I'm not claiming otherwise. Hell, I'm not even saying that legally children should be entitled to privacy from their parents, clearly that isn't feasible or desireable in any way.

However, morally and ethically it is not black or white. It is not a case of "lord of the flies" or parental prison as a binary choice.

Honestly, I'm not even disagreeing with the original poster I replied to. I don't think they were wrong for snooping on their child's internet history. I just wanted to start an open discussion on a legitmate concern caused by snooping which many families go through. It is something that heterosexual parents often do not consider or appreciate because it was not part of their experiences when they grew up. To use your terms, they are "too deep in their community" to appreciate it.

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Post by themitigating »

rayiner wrote: post #698
themitigating wrote: post #695

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I asked you for evidence of this claim "It revealed that the librarians teaching your kids are a lot more progressive about kids exploring their sexuality " And your proof is that your kid came home once with a pride sticker, which is about gay rights, but you have redefined to mean being open sexually and sex positive which you then say you are against. Hating gay people is the same as hating all black people and is…

In a country where same sex marriage is already the law of the land, and has overwhelming public support, you think that there’s not a high degree of overlap between Pride and those who have liberal attitudes on sex for other reasons? As a racial minority I can tell you that the people organizing marches on that basis typically have views that are much more radical than protecting interracial marriage. Half the count…

"You think the teachers who send third graders home with a Pride sticker aren’t overwhelmingly in the pro-teenage sex camp"

No and prove it or shut the fuck up with bullshit "every liberal/democrat is a pedophile". Do you want to count the number of church official vs drag queens who have been arrested for child rape?

"Most child victims are abused by a parent. In 2020, a reported 483,285 perpetrators abused or neglected a child. In substantiated child abuse cases, 77% of children were victimized by a parent." Oh my god better make sure teachers don't send their kids home with pride pins, they might use it to defend against family rape.

https://www.nationalchildrensalliance.org/media-room/nationa...

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Post by codeguro »

chownie wrote: post #684
junofan wrote: post #682

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I checked out that account. It looks like it just reposts content from elsewhere. I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia.

If by "that account" (???) you mean the charity investigating right wing extremism in the USA then sure but I think that's a pretty sad response all in all. > I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia. Wikipedia editors generally exhibit honest behaviour that your preferred propaganda outlet handler Chaya Raichik conspicuously lacks. The authors of the wiki page haven't sicced an online mob on anyone, I'd c…

> Wikipedia editors generally exhibit honest behaviour

Oh, shut up. Even the co-founder of wikipedia Larry Sanger no longer trusts wikipedia because its staff and biases are so far skewed to the left that he can no longer trust it. You are in a cult if you honestly think this kind of disingenuous editing is trustworthy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ygjNVFDMM

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Post by themitigating »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #697
themitigating wrote: post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok that's fair. It turns out that guns are the leading cause of death for kids in the US. Can we make exceptions to the 2nd admendment?

Important to keep in mind that, the Bill of Rights limits the federal government, not individuals. That said, I'd like to see some restrictions/consequences around gun violence in homes, but unsure how that conflicts with 2A; IANAL.

I'm going to let NY know they can ban all guns since the bill of rights doesn't apply to them

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Post by chownie »

codeguro wrote: post #707
chownie wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "that account" (???) you mean the charity investigating right wing extremism in the USA then sure but I think that's a pretty sad response all in all. > I’ll trust my eyes over what’s written in Wikipedia. Wikipedia editors generally exhibit honest behaviour that your preferred propaganda outlet handler Chaya Raichik conspicuously lacks. The authors of the wiki page haven't sicced an online mob on anyone, I'd c…

> Wikipedia editors generally exhibit honest behaviour Oh, shut up. Even the co-founder of wikipedia Larry Sanger no longer trusts wikipedia because its staff and biases are so far skewed to the left that he can no longer trust it. You are in a cult if you honestly think this kind of disingenuous editing is trustworthy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ygjNVFDMM

It isn't totally shocking that someone who's made it their life's work to repeatedly try (and then fail) to replace Wikipedia would be sour about Wikipedia. I also don't as a matter of course trust the opinions of people who appear on Fox News, a network specifically for propaganda dissemination who admitted in court they do not aim to tell the truth.

That he's appearing on Timcast, hosted by yet another right wing propagandist agitator, does not shock me. It does mean I won't believe a word he says.

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Post by norwalkbear »

chownie wrote: post #681
norwalkbear wrote: post #650

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Note that libsoftiktok produces fake content alarmingly often. You ought to read the impact section of their wiki page where it describes how they like to accuse teachers who resign of being fired for grooming children without evidence, or how they manipulate footage from serious discussions between prison psychologists to produce such fantastic rage bait that even Russian propaganda networks use it. If you follow ac…

No it doesn't, fake content doesn't mean content you dislike
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