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Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by dspillett »

grujicd wrote: post #26
jjice wrote: post #10

Don't they still charge a $100+ license for Windows? I have Windows 10 for games, but I haven't booted into it in months since Steam has been fantastic on Linux (relative to it's past, it has some ways to go). I'll be the classic Linux desktop optimist: the improvements over the last four years along have been fantastic and I really hope for a future when it can meet everyone's needs. My OS shouldn't advertise to me.…

Professional is more like $200, and has all that crap as home version.

The difference between home and pro is very small these days. Hyper-V, BitLocker, and Group Policy, are basically it. You can grab a cheap OEM licence to upgrade Home to Pro very easily for far less than $200.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by Arrath »

howard941 wrote: post #41
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

This also happens to a machine that's left on overnight. Something Happens and it reboots - I lose my RDP connection - to this awful dialog.

What grinds my gears is the scheduled waking from sleep to check for updates. And then it often doesn't go back to sleep afterwards for some reason.

Oh! And if you go into the task scheduler to hunt down the half dozen different places this function is called from, they just get turned back on with the next update.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by the8472 »

twawaaay wrote: post #53

It is death of an operating system. Before our eyes. Microsoft is trying desperately to squeeze a bit more cash out of it but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product. I already got fed up enough that I basically banned Windows at home and I am impatiently waiting to kill one last Windows box. It is our gaming machine that is generally available to entir…

The Windows 10 for business installs at $work seem to be clean. I don't know if that's IT's doing or that's the default. So this could be a classic "if you're not paying for it you're the product" issue

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by gary_0 »

blibble wrote: post #96
gary_0 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has 95% of the desktop OS market, they can abuse their users with impunity until that number starts to go down.

it's down into the 75% range now and is continuing to drop https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... (reminds me of the IE market share graph actually)

I think that includes laptops, where macOS is very popular? For gaming, at least, Steam's stats show 96% Windows.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by lunatesi »

Arrath wrote: post #112
howard941 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also happens to a machine that's left on overnight. Something Happens and it reboots - I lose my RDP connection - to this awful dialog.

What grinds my gears is the scheduled waking from sleep to check for updates. And then it often doesn't go back to sleep afterwards for some reason. Oh! And if you go into the task scheduler to hunt down the half dozen different places this function is called from, they just get turned back on with the next update.

I actually set up a scheduled task that runs every 5 minutes (maybe overkill, but I didn't know with what frequency they get reenabled) to make sure any task that can wake my computer from sleep is turned off.

I got so tired of Windows turning on my computer in the middle of the night, checking for updates (but never actually applying any) to apply updates, and then leaving it on all night afterwards, like WTF.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by smnrchrds »

YawningAngel wrote: post #81
smnrchrds wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Apple was actually good in that regard. I ended up uninstalling Apple Stocks app from my Mac and iPhone because of all the terrible ads. The ads I saw were even worse than this: https://images.app.goo.gl/dVbDoBuScVzp3uAg9

If the worst problem you have is ads in your stocks app, it sounds like Apple is still coming out way ahead. I agree that they're squandering brand value for what must be a very marginal gain though

> it sounds like Apple is still coming out way ahead

I disagree for three reasons:

1. Apple Ads are incessant about their own services. Why is (or was?) not having iCloud set up showing up as a permanent notification badge over Settings? It was a while ago, but I remember I subscribed just to shut iOS up. It worked for Apple I guess, but only in a shortsighted way.

2. Ads are big business. Microsoft didn't start with shameless ads, and I don't think Apple would stop at current ad levels. They have to show growth quarter after quarter, so in all likelihood, like we have seen with other companies, it's only gonna get worse. I would love to be proven wrong, but I would also be surprised if I do.

3. The gap between "no ad" and "low ad" feels much bigger the gap between "low ad" and "more ad". Just replace Apple and Microsoft with Netflix and imagine how we would feel if Netflix started showing some—not too many and not too outrageous—ads. For me at least, it moves the service from the "no ad" category to the "with ad" category, and I hate the latter category. So at least in my view, the gap between Apple and Microsoft in this regard is not "way ahead", it is "slightly ahead and getting closer". So while I would be happy to spend an extra X$ for a "no ad" product compared to a "with ad" product, I wouldn't feel the same about a "low ad" product. The Apple premium makes much less sense now, and I am not sure if I am gonna go with Apple for my next phone or computer purchase.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by jeroenhd »

sampa wrote: post #86

I'll just remind everybody that on Linux we have VFIO, where you can passthrough your videocard to Windows virtual-machine, and have almost native gaming. As a big plus, your Win VM's disk C:\ is stored in a file, which you can backup and restore any time you want and not care about viruses/trojans/malware.

> As a big plus, your Win VM's disk C:\ is stored in a file, which you can backup and restore any time you want and not care about viruses/trojans/malware.

A little-known feature of the Windows bootloader is that it can actually load VMDK disk images from NTFS drives and boot them.

I still wouldn't use that for backups though, there are more practical incremental backup solutions for that.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by Arrath »

lunatesi wrote: post #115
Arrath wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What grinds my gears is the scheduled waking from sleep to check for updates. And then it often doesn't go back to sleep afterwards for some reason. Oh! And if you go into the task scheduler to hunt down the half dozen different places this function is called from, they just get turned back on with the next update.

I actually set up a scheduled task that runs every 5 minutes (maybe overkill, but I didn't know with what frequency they get reenabled) to make sure any task that can wake my computer from sleep is turned off. I got so tired of Windows turning on my computer in the middle of the night, checking for updates (but never actually applying any) to apply updates, and then leaving it on all night afterwards, like WTF.

Now there's an idea!

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by deely3 »

grujicd wrote: post #26
jjice wrote: post #10

Don't they still charge a $100+ license for Windows? I have Windows 10 for games, but I haven't booted into it in months since Steam has been fantastic on Linux (relative to it's past, it has some ways to go). I'll be the classic Linux desktop optimist: the improvements over the last four years along have been fantastic and I really hope for a future when it can meet everyone's needs. My OS shouldn't advertise to me.…

Professional is more like $200, and has all that crap as home version.

Erm. No? I use it and I don't remember ads that I can't disable (honestly I don't remember ads in windows except in Edge but thats different story), or some tricky interruption on windows load.

Upd: Im about win10.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#120

Post by deely3 »

twawaaay wrote: post #53

It is death of an operating system. Before our eyes. Microsoft is trying desperately to squeeze a bit more cash out of it but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product. I already got fed up enough that I basically banned Windows at home and I am impatiently waiting to kill one last Windows box. It is our gaming machine that is generally available to entir…

Counterpoint: Android.
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