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Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Strange, I have never seen those ads. Are they restricted to the Home editions? I use Enterprise.

It's on Professional as well.

I'm on professional and while I have seen this after a major update, it's definitely not every couple of weeks. Maybe once a year.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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It is death of an operating system. Before our eyes. Microsoft is trying desperately to squeeze a bit more cash out of it but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product. I already got fed up enough that I basically banned Windows at home and I am impatiently waiting to kill one last Windows box. It is our gaming machine that is generally available to entir…

Windows has been imminently dying since the early 00s, and still seems to be in mortal peril every day.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Each one of those ads is a free ad for Apple and Linux. “If you had Apple, you wouldn’t have to endure this!”

I wish Apple was actually good in that regard. I ended up uninstalling Apple Stocks app from my Mac and iPhone because of all the terrible ads. The ads I saw were even worse than this: https://images.app.goo.gl/dVbDoBuScVzp3uAg9

What the actual f? Good thing I don't live in a very high ARPU area. That insulates you from a surprising amount of crazy stuff. I mean, just not living in US/UK will get you quite far.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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If a third party other than Microsoft remotely administered something like this it would probably be labeled a "botnet". No doubt the amount of data that Microsoft exfiltrates about Windows users is at least as much as any "botnet" would, probably much more. Customers have about as much control over what Microsoft decides it wants to do as they do over so-called botnets. As an original Windows 3.11 user (LAN-only, no…

Network hardware, too. Just look at how many access points and routers insist on you managing your network through the clown. Yeah, hand the keys to your kingdom to a third party for the "convenience" of managing your network anywhere in the world from your phone.

No, I don't WANT to manage my network from a phone, save via a VPN into said network.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#75

It is death of an operating system. Before our eyes. Microsoft is trying desperately to squeeze a bit more cash out of it but the failing culture within Microsoft is unable to recognise they are driving users off their own product. I already got fed up enough that I basically banned Windows at home and I am impatiently waiting to kill one last Windows box. It is our gaming machine that is generally available to entir…

For what it's worth, a ton of people inside of MSFT are opposed to these changes. The few responsible for them are answering to overwhelming pressure from the Finance side. Every time something like this ships out, guaranteed just about every CVP fields angry/annoyed/exasperated complaints about it.

Unfortunately, it's perfectly logical. On the one hand you have $x/year and the other you have $0/year. The argument that all this marketing stuff in the OS is having a negative financial effect is extremely hard to prove.

This is where having a strong minded CEO comes into play. You literally have to have someone who can say "although this makes us less money, this is correct approach". In an organization whose entire purpose is to make money, very few people have the authority to make that call.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

For me, it was worse. It happened every time I booted Windows because I only used it occasionally to play games. After I select Windows in the boot menu, I'd spend like ten minutes waiting for Windows Update to complete. Then I have to click through a series of full screen ads and prompts to disable my privacy settings, which is getting increasingly difficult with all the dark patterns thrown in after every new relea…

I also use Windows occasionally to launch a single game. My experience is the same as yours. All sorts of nags that have nothing to do with launching a single game. Every update either breaks stuff, changes settings, or adds ads somewhere.

I return to my main Mac after 2 months on the road, and nothing has changed. It boots right up, and might occasionally ask me if I want to install updates in the evening.

I bought another Mac recently. I didn't have to turn a bunch of things off. I wasn't tricked into accepting anything. By comparison it took me a whole day to update my Surface tablet and turn off all manners of growth hacking before I returned it.

If someone behaved like Microsoft does, I'd keep an eye on my drink when they're around.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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I feel like I'm on crazy pills when I complain about these things and all the other intrusions Windows pops up at me every time I use the operating system... Yet, the people who use it (mostly gamers), seem to think it's all fine and the operating system is great.

I customize my Windows and almost completely avoid all this crap.

If you use another OS, you might have less of this crap to deal with but overall ever environment needs some customization and whether or not it's more or less is hard to determine.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#78

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For what it's worth, a ton of people inside of MSFT are opposed to these changes. The few responsible for them are answering to overwhelming pressure from the Finance side. Every time something like this ships out, guaranteed just about every CVP fields angry/annoyed/exasperated complaints about it.

Unfortunately, it's perfectly logical. On the one hand you have $x/year and the other you have $0/year. The argument that all this marketing stuff in the OS is having a negative financial effect is extremely hard to prove. This is where having a strong minded CEO comes into play. You literally have to have someone who can say "although this makes us less money, this is correct approach". In an organization whose enti…

Yep, you're absolutely correct. Services are where the money comes from these days, and Satya et al show with their actions that they consider the Windows value prop to be as a sales driver for those services.

It's simplicity itself to attribute the revenue growth, and very difficult to link ads to negative sentiment leading to abandonment.

No doubt they see Apple's relentless iCloud spamming as validation, but it's grating to get spam from an OS that you already paid for.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

#79
post #48

That's weird, I have Windows 11 Home installed by the computer manufacturer but I don't recall having any ads. Is that because I disabled them at the start? (don't remember) or maybe because I have pihole in my network? Anyway - no ads for me.

Any time something like this comes up, there's always people it doesn't happen to. It makes me wonder if some random fraction of users get off the hook just to gaslight us.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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If you’re a gamer, how do you interact with the computer? You launch Steam, see a bunch of ads, launch Epic Game Store or GOG Galaxy and see a bunch of ads, so why wouldn’t you see ads in the start menu? Hell, you have to log in to an account for the “GeForce Experience”. Just to keep your graphics card drivers automatically updated. As soon as you’re in a game, the game is full-screen. You’re not switching apps, you…

You're right. Everyone keeps whining "privacy and usability" this and "I already paid for the OS" that. To them, I say: shut up! Don't these people know that computers are only about consuming content? We should be advocating for an even greater ad-filled future for everyone to enjoy Why aren't we seeing ads in context menus? Why can't I yell "Burger King" into my mic every 10 minutes while streaming to get access to…

>Burger King

Reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Y333JkwXQ

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