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Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by btgeekboy »

capableweb wrote: post #8

Great, I just updated to Windows 11 in hope of getting WSL2 + Arch Linux + CUDA + Docker but it didn't pan out in the end, had to move back to proper Linux for that piece of work. But seems I'm stuck with Windows 11 now and additionally, the running applications that show up in the taskbar suddenly can only show icons, no text allowed. I started to regret my decision to upgrade, and this just adds insult to injury.

Didn’t applications used to be able to show their titles in the taskbar under W11 if you change the taskbar settings? Did that go away, or am I imagining that ability?

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by otikik »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

Each one of those ads is a free ad for Apple and Linux. “If you had Apple, you wouldn’t have to endure this!”

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

eugenekolo wrote: post #5

I feel like I'm on crazy pills when I complain about these things and all the other intrusions Windows pops up at me every time I use the operating system... Yet, the people who use it (mostly gamers), seem to think it's all fine and the operating system is great.

I use Windows and largely my computer usage these days is gaming and some related activities, and things are most definitely not fine and I don't know of anyone else who thinks they are.

What they are, is basically all we have. Thanks mostly to WINE and Valve, Linux gaming is now almost completely tolerable, but it certainly isn't perfect and there are huge gaps in capability (VR, for one). So as much as we hate what Windows has become we are unable to switch to it without making some pretty big sacrifices.

Instead we use LTSC editions, O&O ShutUp 10, and some other third party utilities to mitigate the bullshit.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by samhuk »

jdlyga wrote: post #4

Windows 11 has already lost the marketing battle. They should have kept the version number at 10 and gone with a "ui refresh" update. People aren't going to switch until Windows 12 is released.

They will likely just discontinue Windows 10 to force everybody onto 11 in good time; like they tried to do with Windows 7.

I'm on Windows 10 at the moment and no way am I upgrading. From what I've seen and heard so far, 11 is an absolute festering nightmare.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by grujicd »

metalliqaz wrote: post #6
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

Strange, I have never seen those ads. Are they restricted to the Home editions? I use Enterprise.

It's on Professional as well.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by tyingq »

phone8675309 wrote: post #2

Don't they already do this with some games and services in Windows 10? Is this just a supercharged version of what happens in Windows 10? Definitely guarantees that the fTPM stays off on all of my machines so they can't be force upgraded.

I think the new part is putting them on the start menu versus things like a widget bar or dedicated notifications area that you can easily totally ignore or turn off.

It's dumping clutter into things like "shut down" where you aren't expecting clutter.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by neogodless »

eugenekolo wrote: post #5

I feel like I'm on crazy pills when I complain about these things and all the other intrusions Windows pops up at me every time I use the operating system... Yet, the people who use it (mostly gamers), seem to think it's all fine and the operating system is great.

> Yet, the people who use it (mostly gamers), seem to think it's all fine and the operating system is great.

A lot of assumptions in such a short sentence. I suspect there's more than a complex set of opinions around Windows, Windows 10, Windows 11, using Windows for gaming, thinking it's all fine, thinking lots of things suck, thinking it is a great operating system, thinking it's a shame it does things outside of the ideal scope of an operating system.

Anecdotally, most of the time I don't see the annoying things on my primary Windows 10 Professional machine. Upon a clean install, there were some nuisances that needed cleaned up. But the vast majority of the time, it is customizable as I desire, while being rock solid / stable, rarely needing reboots to apply updates, and when I go to play games, they just work, and they run super well.

I still hate those nuisances, and I hate that a reboot risks a dark pattern trying to push Windows 11. I hate Windows 11. It currently holds exactly zero advantages (for me) over Windows 10, and lots of disadvantages.

I really like Linux Mint, but I gave it a solid 2 months on my primary gaming machine (which happens to be a laptop) and it fell short in a few key areas. It has a lot of warts, and some games were unstable, performed poorly, or wouldn't connect to multiplayer. I also had no control over the brightness of my screen while using my discrete GPU. For the purposes of gaming, Windows 10 is vastly superior for the set of games I play. And it's a shame, because I do really like the Linux Mint experience for most things, including most games, but the issues are more problematic than the ongoing issues that I have with Windows 10.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by kderbe »

klodolph wrote: post #9
eugenekolo wrote: post #5

I feel like I'm on crazy pills when I complain about these things and all the other intrusions Windows pops up at me every time I use the operating system... Yet, the people who use it (mostly gamers), seem to think it's all fine and the operating system is great.

If you’re a gamer, how do you interact with the computer? You launch Steam, see a bunch of ads, launch Epic Game Store or GOG Galaxy and see a bunch of ads, so why wouldn’t you see ads in the start menu? Hell, you have to log in to an account for the “GeForce Experience”. Just to keep your graphics card drivers automatically updated. As soon as you’re in a game, the game is full-screen. You’re not switching apps, you…

> you have to log in to an account for the “GeForce Experience”. Just to keep your graphics card drivers automatically updated.

TechPowerUp's NVCleanstall makes it easy to automatically update Nvidia drivers without any login, and also to remove any Nvidia application bloat you don't want. (I exclude GFE and only install the control panel, for example.)

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