Apple Music Classical • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by pradn » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:46 PM UTC

tw600040 wrote: post #311

Please if someone from Apple is listening: Please pay some attention to Indian music as well. I mostly only listen to Tamil songs and when Apple came out with iTunes Match or something where they analyze your library and match it to what they have in cloud, they just incorrectly matched songs with the Telugu version and ones from other languages and totally messed up my collection. And, this day and age, why should a…

Even JioSaavn, which is focused on Indian popular film music, doesn't do anything special. It's a bit more similar to classical music than American-style pop in terms of organization. Music directors are responsible for the entire album of a film, with singers being brought on for a track or two. So one might want to slice by music director, just like looking at all Bach pieces. It's not quite the case with pop producers, who are usually behind-the-scenes. Fans of Indian popular music often follow their favorite music directors, even if they have little interest in the films the music is a part of.

However, even then, this slight difference is well papered-over by just including the music director in the list of artists who made a song.

Indian classical music, however, has a wholly separate and more intricate form of organization. You'd at least need raga and the properties of the raga (like the dominant rasa & associated time of day), along with the various singers and instrumentalists in the ensemble and their instruments. It would be great to search for "morning"-raga-based Carnatic vocal concerts with the lead singer being Sudha Ragunathan.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by thewebcount » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:51 PM UTC

nishad_g wrote: post #325

Now make one for Indian classical music. Indian classical is as rich as European, with it's ragas and talas and so many instruments (tabla, sitar, sarangi... )

As mentioned up-thread: https://www.apple.com/feedback/apple-music.html

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by mihaaly » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:52 PM UTC

tempodox wrote: post #269

This has to be a joke, right? Given Apple's enmity towards headphone cables, I don't see the point. Their Bluetooth EarPods can never ever render the necessary sound quality.

Those who want and appreciate the sound quality already using better than Apple speakers or headphones. If you read carefully the footnotes referenced state the need of proper external DAC. They know it is not for everyone and not forcing it on everyone unnecessarily, still allowing those in need to have it.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by sonofhans » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 6:00 PM UTC

disposition2 wrote: post #304

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

Maybe it's just rose colored glasses but I want to say Rdio had support for things like this back in the early 2010s. I know it was the best music streaming service I've ever used for music discovery. I definitely recall it supporting things like music labels (i.e. Deutsche Grammophon) and want to say it got so granular that it provided the information (performers, conductors, etc) you are looking for. Alas, Rdio is…

Yes, I’ll join you in pouring one out for Rdio. I listened to, and paid for, Rdio every day for years until Spotify killed it. Rdio allowed users to fulfill simple goals — find music you know and listen to it; find new music and listen to it. The paths to those goals were simple and clear.

Turns out it’s hard to make money that way. Thus why, I suppose, Spotify is a cornucopia of manipulative dark patterns.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by oriolid » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 6:13 PM UTC

easyThrowaway wrote: post #243

oriolid wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know, I wasn't the one who brought up the "acoustic equivalent of a screensaver".

Alright, but why would I actually spend time to actively listen to it? Op was specifically talking about Classic music being replaced by AI in listening events, not about staying on hold on a phone calls or waiting on a parking spot.

You wouldn't actively listening, and that's why generated muzak would be okay. "The acoustic equivalent of a screensaver", as someone in the thread called it. The idea that classical performances would be replace human composers in concert context is quite ridiculous. Maybe as a novelty, once, but that's all.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by lifefeed » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

dashwehacct wrote: post #293

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

This too is one of my favorite songs, but in a slightly different style: https://youtu.be/rbt78buj80Q

That is really nice.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by MichaelZuo » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

lelag wrote: post #302

Miraste wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify's power comes from more than its ubiquity. Pop music, the kind that charts (and the only kind labels care about), is way more commodified than TV shows. If Sony were to make a streaming service with just their music and leave Spotify/Apple Music/Amazon/etc, their artists would simply fail to chart ever again. The advantage of a single streaming service with all the songs is also much greater than one with all…

I mostly agree with you there. If you look at pop music as a whole, it's impossible to attack them directly. But I don't think that the moat could never be broken. You have many people that consume music as background noises. But you also have many people that are passionate about the music they listen to and would like to have another way to support their artist of choices other than going to concerts (see vinyl rev…

> make a platform that offer a better UX for that genre, and have them pay for their music (those consumer are happy because better UX and they feel they actually support the artist they like)

Why would consumers not just pay for physical media like CDs/Vinyl/etc. if they prefer owning things?

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by twobitshifter » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

cyberpunk wrote: post #187

Am the only person who finds it completely ridiculous that not even APPLE can launch the iPad version of this app at the same time as their iOS one? I launch it on my iPad (which is hooked to my external dac/amp setup via usb-c) and I see.. This: https://imgur.com/a/cAX0zZA

I agree, this is another indication that the app may say Apple but it’s really not developed inside Apple. Steve Jobs would have fired someone in 2023 if he saw a tiny screen on his gigantic iPad. If they’re okay with doing this then why isn’t there a phone-sized calculator available to install on iPad?

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by throw0101b » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

dashwehacct wrote: post #293

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

This too is one of my favorite songs, but in a slightly different style: https://youtu.be/rbt78buj80Q

This is the "Take Five" variant by Val Bennett, "The Russians Are Coming", used in the show Secret Life of Machines (awesome series, now freely/legally posted on YT):

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMxate9gegg

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fvwg9zy08

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Machines

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by m348e912 » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 6:21 PM UTC

>>Only a brand-new app — with specialized features and a beautiful interface designed for the genre — could remove the complexity and make classical music easily searchable, browsable, and accessible for beginners and experts alike.

Just thinking out loud. Was there a need for a separate app music? Instead add a "classical mode" to the traditional apple music app that enables features for classical music lovers.