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Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by pwinnski » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #309

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

I think the problem with separating jazz is that its boundaries are far more porous than classical. There's virtually never a question as to whether a piece is classical or not. (Except maybe soundtrack scores which are a weird category of their own.) But jazz tends to fuse with every other genre out there. You can find an artist at every point on the spectrum between jazz and hip-hop. Another way of looking at it is…

The composers of some very early jazz standards are literally unknown, or unverifiable!

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by Tiktaalik » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

When I tried out Tidal a while ago I noticed that it handled the liner notes type stuff much better than Spotify or anyone else.

Very much was able to do the sort of things you're alluding to, noticing you like a drummer on a track then clicking on them and finding out what else they've done. That sort of thing can't be done on Spotify.

There's a lot more potential with that sort of stuff that no one is yet doing.

I'd be delighted to see an Apple Jazz app.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by rubslopes » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:55 PM UTC

disposition2 wrote: post #304

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

Maybe it's just rose colored glasses but I want to say Rdio had support for things like this back in the early 2010s. I know it was the best music streaming service I've ever used for music discovery. I definitely recall it supporting things like music labels (i.e. Deutsche Grammophon) and want to say it got so granular that it provided the information (performers, conductors, etc) you are looking for. Alas, Rdio is…

No current app has come near Rdio in terms of music discovery. IIRC, you could also comment on albums, which was awesome.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by _venkatasg » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:56 PM UTC

tw600040 wrote: post #311

Please if someone from Apple is listening: Please pay some attention to Indian music as well. I mostly only listen to Tamil songs and when Apple came out with iTunes Match or something where they analyze your library and match it to what they have in cloud, they just incorrectly matched songs with the Telugu version and ones from other languages and totally messed up my collection. And, this day and age, why should a…

I've noticed that soundtracks show up in this Classical music app, so some (not all) of my Tamil songs (which are songs from movies because that's how most pop/commercial music in India is released) are listed there now.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by nishad_g » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:58 PM UTC

Now make one for Indian classical music. Indian classical is as rich as European, with it's ragas and talas and so many instruments (tabla, sitar, sarangi... )

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by WorldMaker » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:05 PM UTC

shadowtree wrote: post #303

This is great - it being a separate app solves some core problems! It's a hard firewall between my "normal" music library and classical, which means risk free shuffle play. I never want Bach and Slayer in sequence. They can optimize the UI, recommendations, etc. based on music that is all about reproduction, rather than being performed by the original artists. Going against the grain and honing in on a total niche is…

> I never want Bach and Slayer in sequence.

I've found interesting, creative serendipity in sequences like that.

With dynamics controlling tools such as ReplayGain (and Apple Music has something similar built-in today though less well documented) to avoid massive "loudness war" shifts it doesn't even break a flow state for me sometimes and can be really interesting to my flow.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by thewebcount » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

I want that for pop music, too! I don't understand why Apple (and other companies) don't get that there are users who want to slice and dice music in this way for every genre. When I go looking for "No-one is to blame" by Howard Jones, I want the version from "Dream Into Action" not the crappy radio remake he did with Phil Collins on the drums. When I listen to "Leave it" by Yes, I may want to make the connection that it was produced by Trevor Horn who was also 1/2 of The Art of Noise. In fact, my friends and I used to play a game we called "6 Degrees of Bruford/Wakeman". You could find connections between just about any band and either Yes or Genesis in 6 or fewer steps.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by CountHackulus » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:10 PM UTC

disposition2 wrote: post #304

lifefeed wrote: post #226

I would love to see something like this for jazz, which has musicians constantly moving through groups and albums as musicians and composers and writers. Like take "Take Five", one of my favorites. It was written by Paul Desmond for the Dave Brubeck Quartet, with solos by Desmond on alto sax and Joe Morello on drums. Those are all fun pieces of information that I wish I could click through to see more of. Just like c…

Maybe it's just rose colored glasses but I want to say Rdio had support for things like this back in the early 2010s. I know it was the best music streaming service I've ever used for music discovery. I definitely recall it supporting things like music labels (i.e. Deutsche Grammophon) and want to say it got so granular that it provided the information (performers, conductors, etc) you are looking for. Alas, Rdio is…

I really miss Rdio, it really was the best music streaming service.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by nemomarx » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:13 PM UTC

lelag wrote: post #153

adolph wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the enduring niche of physical media, why would a person choose non physical media for the artwork and leaflet experience? Would there be a UI that afforded the user thumbing through stacks, sliding the carton out, admiring the art as it is opened and an artifact unsleeved to be mated to a player? I suppose something like that would be possible with NFC (with write durability improvements). The NFC holds a toke…

One of the plan was to offer a bundled experience to the labels: you sell a physical media and the customer gets a code to add the album to their streaming library so they can also consume it digitally. Edit/PS: It really feels strange arguing for an idea, I've given up on so long ago...

Honestly, this is a lot of what I like about bandcamp. (I really hope that epic buying them isn't a bad sign, on that note...)

It's nice to get a cd or a cassette, with some fancy holofoil cover on it, a little artifact of a band I like, and still have it on my phone, in my browser, whenever I want to listen to it. I could dig out the actual equipment to play those things directly, but usually that's a pain, and I just want to have them as a totem or something.

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Post by pwinnski » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:13 PM UTC

Miraste wrote: post #197

lelag wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That could never change. Trying to revert that situtation was my bet. The 20th century was a golden age for recorded music. Maybe there is no coming back but I don't think (or I didn't think then) that streaming services are in a very strong position in the long run: consumers like them because the current deal is that you pay a single subscription and you have access to basically all the music (a very nice proposi…

Spotify's power comes from more than its ubiquity. Pop music, the kind that charts (and the only kind labels care about), is way more commodified than TV shows. If Sony were to make a streaming service with just their music and leave Spotify/Apple Music/Amazon/etc, their artists would simply fail to chart ever again. The advantage of a single streaming service with all the songs is also much greater than one with all…

I also lack the vision to see what could ultimately replace streaming as the primary delivery mechanism for music. It delivers an ongoing revenue stream, the monthly nature of which beats the old "put it out in a new format every few years so everyone has to rebuy everything" in terms of cash flow, although obviously not in overall revenue.

I could definitely see streaming wars in music happening like they are in video, although so far the music labels are content to watch the video labels hurt each other. But consider: Spotify's payouts are infamously low, lower than Google's or Apple's and I can imagine some labels deciding they can do better by providing their own streaming app. Since it's only a few labels, each will believe they have enough of a library to draw subscribers, and away we'll go.

But still: aside from the margins and market share concerns, what delivers a steadier income than streaming?

Streaming doesn't mean they can't experiment with additional revenue streams, including physical media sales and licensing opportunities, but it's hard to imagine something displacing streaming as a concept to the degree which streaming has displaced physical media sales.