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Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by senttoschool » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:31 AM UTC

frozenport wrote: post #33

testHNac wrote: post #28

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>Russia is a joke and an international pariah I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO. BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion. NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million. BRICS countries are actively Trading with Russia. America's favorite ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is doing deals with Russia and Iran. BTW Saudi Arabia wants to join BRICS. Iran is friendly with Rus…

>> BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. What? Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Russia just invaded Ukraine to reestablish kleptocracy!

>Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province!

Technically, Taiwan thinks that the entirety of mainland China belongs to Taiwan.

The only difference between the two dreams is that Taiwan has no realistic way of acquiring China. But China does.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by senttoschool » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:43 AM UTC

frozenport wrote: post #9

These countries fail the obvious "places I could tolerate living in" test.

Lived in China. World class cities. Amazing public transportation locally and continentally. Low inflation. Extremely low crime. No random gun violence. Amazing natural and historic wonders.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:44 AM UTC

senttoschool wrote: post #42

frozenport wrote: post #9

These countries fail the obvious "places I could tolerate living in" test.

Lived in China. World class cities. Amazing public transportation locally and continentally. Low inflation. Extremely low crime. No random gun violence. Amazing natural and historic wonders.

All that plus traffic much worse than an American could imagine and 500+ 2.5 PPM days. Ultimate had to leave because the wife couldn’t handle the AQI and we had a baby on the way.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:47 AM UTC

senttoschool wrote: post #41

frozenport wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. What? Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Russia just invaded Ukraine to reestablish kleptocracy!

> Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Technically, Taiwan thinks that the entirety of mainland China belongs to Taiwan. The only difference between the two dreams is that Taiwan has no realistic way of acquiring China. But China does.

Technically, most Taiwanese neither want to be apart of the ROC or PRC. They dislike the Chiang/nationalists/KMT as much as they dislike the Mao/communists. But if the DPP renounced being the ROC and Taiwan’s claim in the rest of China tomorrow, technically ending the civil war, they know that would provoke the mainland and would definitely invade.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:49 AM UTC

elzbardico wrote: post #21

throwayyy479087 wrote: post #16

BRICS are only a thing in the mind of the Ivory Tower set. Brazil is barely a country, has a declining QOL and is remarkably unstable. Lovely people, culture, beaches - but they're not even the best off LatAm country (that's Colombia, Chile, or Argentina) Russia is a joke and an international pariah South Africa is about to split in half (or not? who knows!) and is declining into a race-centered downward spiral. Agai…

GDP (PPP) Ranking according to the IMF in USD Trillions 1. China | 30.07 2. USA | 25.03 3. India | 11.66 4. Japan | 6.10 5. Germany | 5.31 6. Russia | 4.65 7. Indonesia | 4.02 8. Brazil | 3.78 Considering that China is the premier industrial powerhouse of the world, and Russia is probably the country with the vastest reserves of natural reserves in the world, with a highly educated population, and that probably the B…

PPP is a bit of a lie. Plenty of things in china, like cars and even housing, are more expensive than they are in America (you get cheap by a reduction in features/capabilities or square footage).

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by nikolay » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:49 AM UTC

mistrial9 wrote: post #13

nikolay wrote: post #7

The West went bonkers and due to its brainless leaders now it's lost its hegemony! People responsible for some of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind to patronize the rest of the world how to change "for better" using it as a model was a total failure! I am from the Balkans, i.e. much closer to the Western culture, yet I don't like being patronized - and I can imagine how much more distant nations feel abo…

but you get Kentucky Fried Chicken, Enterprise Rent-a-Car and Western Union immediately.. like weeds in the field. Plus, everything is written in Latin script AND the dollar / Euro.

I've never set foot in KFC. After 23 years in the States, I've been 2-3 times to Mickey Dees. I do frequent In-N-Out though. But it's not particularly amazing - I've had much better food meaty food in the Balkans - especially in Serbia and Montenegro!

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:49 AM UTC

yucky wrote: post #32

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #18

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KFC is doing much better in BRICS countries than it is on its home turf.

Well yeah, because we have Popeye's too, and they don't.

There is a Popeyes in Hong Kong airport.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by senttoschool » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 4:50 AM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44

senttoschool wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Technically, Taiwan thinks that the entirety of mainland China belongs to Taiwan. The only difference between the two dreams is that Taiwan has no realistic way of acquiring China. But China does.

Technically, most Taiwanese neither want to be apart of the ROC or PRC. They dislike the Chiang/nationalists/KMT as much as they dislike the Mao/communists. But if the DPP renounced being the ROC and Taiwan’s claim in the rest of China tomorrow, technically ending the civil war, they know that would provoke the mainland and would definitely invade.

That's right. But the side with the bigger guns get to decide.

Regardless, China does not want to use its military on Taiwan. They would much rather have a peaceful reunification.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by nikolay » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:02 AM UTC

mistrial9 wrote: post #13

nikolay wrote: post #7

The West went bonkers and due to its brainless leaders now it's lost its hegemony! People responsible for some of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind to patronize the rest of the world how to change "for better" using it as a model was a total failure! I am from the Balkans, i.e. much closer to the Western culture, yet I don't like being patronized - and I can imagine how much more distant nations feel abo…

but you get Kentucky Fried Chicken, Enterprise Rent-a-Car and Western Union immediately.. like weeds in the field. Plus, everything is written in Latin script AND the dollar / Euro.

The first ever rent-a-car company is German (Sixt). Enterprise sucks. I've never used WU or Moneygram - didn't need given the other options. We use the Cyrillic alphabet and local currency and most of us reject joining the Eurozone.

Anyway, you don't get my point. People lived healthily and happily before these "improvements" of life, driven by greed and hunger for power. When you ignore child mortality, people didn't live much shorter lives on the Balkans before - didn't need a bunch of meds to deal with chronic disease either. Anyway, the good thing is that many Westerners have started to realize this too recently - progress does not necessarily improve life, but you become so dependent, i.e. less free and happy!

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 5:10 AM UTC

senttoschool wrote: post #48

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, most Taiwanese neither want to be apart of the ROC or PRC. They dislike the Chiang/nationalists/KMT as much as they dislike the Mao/communists. But if the DPP renounced being the ROC and Taiwan’s claim in the rest of China tomorrow, technically ending the civil war, they know that would provoke the mainland and would definitely invade.

That's right. But the side with the bigger guns get to decide. Regardless, China does not want to use its military on Taiwan. They would much rather have a peaceful reunification.

China’s leadership is constantly telling the world, however, that they might use their military if X happens, they simply don’t after X happens each time. If we judge china by it’s actions, you are correct, but if we judge china by what it says…