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Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by elzbardico »

throwayyy479087 wrote: post #16

BRICS are only a thing in the mind of the Ivory Tower set. Brazil is barely a country, has a declining QOL and is remarkably unstable. Lovely people, culture, beaches - but they're not even the best off LatAm country (that's Colombia, Chile, or Argentina) Russia is a joke and an international pariah South Africa is about to split in half (or not? who knows!) and is declining into a race-centered downward spiral. Agai…

GDP (PPP) Ranking according to the IMF in USD Trillions

1. China | 30.07

2. USA | 25.03

3. India | 11.66

4. Japan | 6.10

5. Germany | 5.31

6. Russia | 4.65

7. Indonesia | 4.02

8. Brazil | 3.78

Considering that China is the premier industrial powerhouse of the world, and Russia is probably the country with the vastest reserves of natural reserves in the world, with a highly educated population, and that probably the BRICS will be soon joined by the oil behemoths of Saudi Arabia and Iran, things don't look to me as straightforward as they look to you.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by vardump »

elzbardico wrote: post #21
throwayyy479087 wrote: post #16

BRICS are only a thing in the mind of the Ivory Tower set. Brazil is barely a country, has a declining QOL and is remarkably unstable. Lovely people, culture, beaches - but they're not even the best off LatAm country (that's Colombia, Chile, or Argentina) Russia is a joke and an international pariah South Africa is about to split in half (or not? who knows!) and is declining into a race-centered downward spiral. Agai…

GDP (PPP) Ranking according to the IMF in USD Trillions 1. China | 30.07 2. USA | 25.03 3. India | 11.66 4. Japan | 6.10 5. Germany | 5.31 6. Russia | 4.65 7. Indonesia | 4.02 8. Brazil | 3.78 Considering that China is the premier industrial powerhouse of the world, and Russia is probably the country with the vastest reserves of natural reserves in the world, with a highly educated population, and that probably the B…

China is going to throw Russia under the bus at the first opportunity. Russians are foolish to think that China will be their ally.

China just needs Russia's resources for now.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by testHNac »

rektname wrote: post #11

What's this alternative offering exactly? Corruption? Police state? Crime? Poverty? Yeah, no thanks. Get your shit fixed and then we'll talk.

America :

No corruption.

No Police violence. No Brutality.

No Gun Violence.

No Crime.

No poverty - no homelessness, no people unable to afford a life without stimulus and bailouts.

No racism.

Absolute freedom of speech.

America is the utopia the World should aspire to be.

/s - In case someone is wondering.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by testHNac »

mise_en_place wrote: post #19
throwayyy479087 wrote: post #16

BRICS are only a thing in the mind of the Ivory Tower set. Brazil is barely a country, has a declining QOL and is remarkably unstable. Lovely people, culture, beaches - but they're not even the best off LatAm country (that's Colombia, Chile, or Argentina) Russia is a joke and an international pariah South Africa is about to split in half (or not? who knows!) and is declining into a race-centered downward spiral. Agai…

Not to mention all of them are becoming increasingly authoritarian. It’s an alternative for sure. Not sure it’s desirable or preferable.

Some reading to do about countries becoming authoritarian.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/19/americ...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychologi...

https://www.wired.com/story/us-authoritarian-movement-future...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/opinion/democracy-america...

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-amer...

Pretty sure American love for Freedom of Speech with push this comment into the abyss.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by comte7092 »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #6
giraffe_lady wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also why the US is in the manufacturing consent stage of a war with china. China may or may not have aspirations to global imperialism, but the US certainly does . And providing economic alternatives to subservience to american interests is a direct threat to that.

Such a fun term to discredit popular consensus or democratic votes. "Manufactured consent", the rallying cry of failed and unpopular ideologues. But it certainly tracks that the person who coined the term is a genocide denialist for a foreign dictator. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Ch...

>In Manufacturing Consent (1988), Chomsky and Herman discussed the media reaction to their earlier writings on the Cambodian genocide. They summarised the position which they had taken in After the Cataclysm (1979):

>>As we also noted from the first paragraph of our earlier review of this material, to which we will simply refer here for specifics, “there is no difficulty in documenting major atrocities and oppression, primarily from the reports of refugees”; there is little doubt that “the record of atrocities in Cambodia is substantial and often gruesome” and represents “a fearful toll”; “when the facts are in, it may turn out that the more extreme condemnations were in fact correct,” although if so, “it will in no way alter the conclusions we have reached on the central question addressed here: how the available facts were selected, modified, or sometimes invented to create a certain image offered to the general population. The answer to this question seems clear, and it is unaffected by whatever may yet be discovered about Cambodia in the future.”

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by testHNac »

throwayyy479087 wrote: post #16

BRICS are only a thing in the mind of the Ivory Tower set. Brazil is barely a country, has a declining QOL and is remarkably unstable. Lovely people, culture, beaches - but they're not even the best off LatAm country (that's Colombia, Chile, or Argentina) Russia is a joke and an international pariah South Africa is about to split in half (or not? who knows!) and is declining into a race-centered downward spiral. Agai…

>Russia is a joke and an international pariah

I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO.

BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion.

NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million.

BRICS countries are actively Trading with Russia.

America's favorite ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is doing deals with Russia and Iran. BTW Saudi Arabia wants to join BRICS.

Iran is friendly with Russia.

>India and China despise each other and are becoming more, not less hostile. China has pretty openly racist views about India and doesn't treat them like equals in any way shape or form.

You are not completely wrong about this. Still India and China Trade is USD 135 Billion. That's after many restrictions they impose on each other.

In the Indian and Chinese mindset, it's a very practical relationship. Don't consider each other friends, do business when necessary.

About your last point. Chinese don't consider anyone as their equals.

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The world order is changing. BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. They are just finding new opportunities among themselves.

Re: A new world order? BRICS nations offer alternative to West

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Post by testHNac »

nine_zeros wrote: post #14

I find it fascinating that people think China and India are friendly (or plan to be friendly) to each other.

BRICS is an economic alliance not a Military alliance.

NATO is backed by ideology to an extent. BRICS don't claim to have any such underlying principles.

China and India have a USD 135 Billion Annual Trade.

Practical Relationship - Not friends, Not allies, will do business together.

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Sometimes it's good to know that the other person is not your friend.

Otherwise, like Europe one might find out that their friend and ally might not always have their best interests at heart.

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