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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by sowbug »

thiht wrote: post #159

I'd never use a password manager built by Apple for the same reason I don't use Chrome's password manager or Firefox's password manager. All these passwords managers have strong incentives for "working best on ™". I want a password manager independent from any platform like Bitwarden or 1Password, because it's actually valuable for THEM to target all the platforms they can.

I don't understand. Chrome and Firefox don't have platforms. Which means they run pretty much everywhere they're allowed to.

Apple is the only one of those three that restricts their software to hardware that only they sell. So in that case I do understand your position.

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Post by yamtaddle »

ulfw wrote: post #298
knodi123 wrote: post #212

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> The fucking name of the screen is "passwords"! I shouldn't have to get farther than "pas" for it to be the first entry on the list, "pass" in the worst-case! Weird. "pas" and it was top of the list for me.

When I type just "p" it's the second top most result. When I type "pa" it's already the first result.

Bizarre. That's on iOS for me, searching in the settings app itself. I have to type most of "passwords" just to get it to show up at all, and some of the ones that are showing up instead have only the most tenuous connection to the search term "password".

It used to show up for me after a couple letters, in the settings app, until a few iOS versions ago, IIRC.

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Post by mh- »

yamtaddle wrote: post #312
ulfw wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I type just "p" it's the second top most result. When I type "pa" it's already the first result.

Bizarre. That's on iOS for me, searching in the settings app itself. I have to type most of "passwords" just to get it to show up at all, and some of the ones that are showing up instead have only the most tenuous connection to the search term "password". It used to show up for me after a couple letters, in the settings app, until a few iOS versions ago, IIRC.

It "learns" from previous searches.

Which is unfortunate, because it's not very good at it.

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Post by [deleted] »

yamtaddle wrote: post #157
robotresearcher wrote: post #95

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> 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven forbid you need search it's only a simple 37 clicks away! On Mac, at any time, type: command-space passw On iOS tap on any home screen, type passw, tap suggested result

On iOS, my only password manager I've ever used is the built-in Apple one. I just tapped the "search" field on the home screen, and typed "passw". "Top Hit": A store link to the LastPass password manager (which I do not and have never used—the button has the text "get", it's not installed and doesn't have the cloud-icon for previously-installed apps) From there, it's three suggested Siri web searches: "passwords", "p…

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Post by birdyrooster »

yamtaddle wrote: post #151
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. Like a lot of other Apple stuff, I'm only able to use it because I don't use anything non-Apple for anything "serious" that involves a GUI. Windows is for gaming, Linux is my file storage and docker-service-running server that I only interact with over SSH and Web. Ditto Notes, all their Office-type progra…

I can never tell if Apple is trying to kill macOS, but it’s things like this that make me wonder.

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Post by crimsontech »

MobileVet wrote: post #301
prepend wrote: post #288

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That’s interesting. I don’t share any passwords with family and have taught my kids to share passwords with no one (written in a sealed envelope as backup). I don’t like shared passwords although if I really had to, I would just enter it once and let iCloud save it to their account. Stinks if I have to change the password, but I almost never change passwords.

I definitely appreciate the 'security forward' approach... but what about end of life planning or general 'dad's in a comma and XYZ needs to happen'? 1Password with a 'parents vault' that my wife and I share has been a life changer for coordinating family access to important accounts AND ensuring solid passwords are being used.

I don’t share passwords with family, they all know good password hygiene though and use generated passwords for all their services. For end-of-life scenario apple does have digital legacy https://digital-legacy.apple.com/

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by HnUser12 »

cjdoc29 wrote: post #2

I really like Apple's implementation of passwords, passkeys, etc. But...I had a hard time explaining this to my mom. She uses it to generate her passwords and fill-in within Safari which is great! But there's no "Passwords" app, and she didn't know to go into Settings to reference a password when Safari doesn't recognize a password field (probably the website's fault). 2FA is also a confusing experience, but 2FA is a…

Someone linked this on the top

https://rmondello.com/passwords-shortcut/

You should be add this to home-screen like an app. Should make it a bit easier open passwords.

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Hamuko wrote: post #195
sylens wrote: post #39

Even if macOS and iOS are my primary work (and personal) platforms these days, I still like a solution that works great on Windows, Linux, and Android as well. I'm pretty happy with 1Password - it does all of the things mentioned in this article with more platform support

I considered 1Password when shopping around for a new password manager, but the pricing of the subscription and the fact that it was an Electron app killed it for me. Currently test-driving a smaller alternative with a one-time payment.

My passwords are split between iCloud on my Apple stuff and 1Password doing cross-platform duty.

I've been paying for 1Password for a while, but boy that electron app they rolled out with v8 is a clunker… will probably keep paying so long as 1Password 7 works but after that I'm gonna have to figure something else out.

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Post by HeavyFeather »

reaperducer wrote: post #35
cjdoc29 wrote: post #2

I really like Apple's implementation of passwords, passkeys, etc. But...I had a hard time explaining this to my mom. She uses it to generate her passwords and fill-in within Safari which is great! But there's no "Passwords" app, and she didn't know to go into Settings to reference a password when Safari doesn't recognize a password field (probably the website's fault). 2FA is also a confusing experience, but 2FA is a…

But there's no "Passwords" app It's called Keychain Access.

Are you talking about that utility that looks straight out of Windows 98? Surely it could use some love in 2023. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it updated, it’s not an acceptable UI for consumers.
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