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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by jrochkind1 »

hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

OP is suggesting it's a terrible UI on iOS and Mac too, and one of their principle complaints is your #3.

So OP disagree that it's even a good product if you are 100% Mac, but are suggesting the functionality is all there, it just needs an actually designed UI/UX.

And/But your #2 sounds pretty terrible to me too!

It does not sound like a good product at all.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by maliker »

hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

I ended up writing an AppleScript to open the Safari passwords dialog because I got sick of hunting for the proper dialog. If you save it as passwords.command and make it executable it'll open the window right up. But yeah, it's a kludge.

  #!/usr/bin/osascript
  tell application "Safari"
    activate
  end tell
  tell application "System Events"
    keystroke "," using {command down}
    set pass_button to (button "Passwords" of toolbar 1 of window 1 of application process "Safari")
    click pass_button
  end tell

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by Hamuko »

ttul wrote: post #170
aquanext wrote: post #166

My best guess is that Apple won't do it because their plan is to phase out passwords entirely. That's what that whole FIDO Alliance ( https://fidoalliance.org ) is all about. And 1Password is part of that too: https://blog.1password.com/1password-is-joining-the-fido-all... I think that ultimately a password tool needs to be available on multiple platforms, like 1Password. Having it just be on Apple stuff just isn't g…

1Password knows that it will take centuries for passwords to disappear even if a password-less future is already here.

Passwordless future definitely wasn't here just 1-2 years ago. The management of WebAuthn Discoverable Credentials / Resident Keys was so fucking awful on every platform I tested them on.

You want to clear your Resident Key for a website on Windows? Command-line.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by hot_gril »

hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

4. New passwords overwrite old ones. Easy to accidentally lose passwords in slightly odd situations like logging into an account whose password you just reset.

But I like it overall. Even though I use multiple browsers, I don't mind treating Keychain as the master DB and occasionally copying passwords out of it. Part of this is because I use Safari exclusively for the extra important things like my bank.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by Hamuko »

sylens wrote: post #39

Even if macOS and iOS are my primary work (and personal) platforms these days, I still like a solution that works great on Windows, Linux, and Android as well. I'm pretty happy with 1Password - it does all of the things mentioned in this article with more platform support

I considered 1Password when shopping around for a new password manager, but the pricing of the subscription and the fact that it was an Electron app killed it for me.

Currently test-driving a smaller alternative with a one-time payment.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by alana314 »

They don't make it clear on iOS which password manager you're using, which hurts both them and other password managers I think. The worst experience is not knowing where your password is or which account it's using. I had to turn off all apple password management in preferences, I've thought about going all-in on apple passwords but don't think it has all the features I want.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by marvel_boy »

steve1977 wrote: post #107
waboremo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny situation, there's another thread I was replying to someone who wanted to shift back to native apps instead of cross plat electron apps (for performance reasons). Well, Apple Passwords on Windows is a good example of how that turns out in reality. I believe it's using WinUI. While the performance is nice, the experience is entirely unlike what you get on Mac and winds up making you wish you were using another s…

Apple had (has?) Cocoa ported on Windows actually, so whatever they could so on macOS, they could do on Windows as well. Cocoa as such is cross-platform.

Any link to the port of Cooca to Windows?

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by probablynish »

monocularvision wrote: post #141

Am I the only person on Earth that needs sharing of passwords among my family? Any time folks bring up password solutions, they are always missing this requirement for me. 1Password is a life-saver in this regards. All my kids have their own vaults but for the little ones I have them use a shared vault between my wife and me so we have access to their passwords. I can also easily share passwords for services like Net…

Bitwarden lets you do this with an 'Organization'. Free to share things between two accounts, looks like $40/yr to share between up to 6 users.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by [deleted] »

baby wrote: post #123
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

I use chrome to manage passwords on all my devices, it works well except for apps. When I'm trying to get a password for an app in iOS, I just switch to chrome to get the password. Same if my password was from registering from an app and I'm in Chrome. Rinse and repeat and now my passwords are in both password managers. As for TOTP, if I lose my phone I don't know what will happen.

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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by [deleted] »

matt-attack wrote: post #126
dwaite wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just that, they will detect QR code images to work around sites which assume that TOTP is only available by scanning your desktop screen from your phone.

Can you provide an example website that uses this technology? Not sure I've ever encountered one.

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