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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I feel like it is a universally constant thing for some subset of people to want their government to “force those other people to do what I think they should be doing”. The only the US does relatively well is to provide mechanisms to reverse course when these things happen. Which is also why a lot of changes end up in gridlock. Which I suspect will happen soon in this case.

I'd guess it's more of a "make sure our children grow up into healthy working adults, instead of more minimum wage tech addicts".

Who is going to make them grow up a particular way?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

> I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17. I'm sure many of us didn't have any access to StackOverflow and GitHub when we were around 17 years old, because StackOverflow and GitHub didn't exist yet. For several of us, git didn't exist yet. Heck, for some of us, the web didn't exist yet! Kids these days...

Many of us != most of us. What I said and what you said are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Large numbers of states actively monitor (via swiping IDs) your alcohol purchase history. Many states have entire bureaus whose job it is to keep this information.

Interesting, I did not know that, and that is disappointing to find out.

I believe that Utah is one of those places who do that. (I can't find a resource that they do, but it's too similar to the patronscan tech that near by states endorse). That's one of the things that turned me away from enjoying that state.

From what I did find, they are required to keep that info for at least 7 days. As a Chicagoian, required tracking of how much and where I drink at is super concerning.

https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/why-is-the-bouncer-sca...

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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post #244

This law might might make sense if it simply disallowed children to view algorithmically curated feeds. Most of the harm from FB, TikTok, etc stems from a non-chronological algorithmic “amplification”. Otherwise this is clearly 1st amendment bait.

How is it 1st amendment bait?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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A Utah resident connects to a server in California, controlled by a company in California. This seems like interstate commerce to me, and is thus regulated by federal law, not the laws of individual states. Consider Wickard v. Filburn[0], in which the courts ruled that a farmer growing crops on his own land, to feed to his own animals, all within a single state, was participating in "interstate commerce". Given this…

In a fun twist, the data centers are quite possibly in Utah.

That said, assuredly Meta, Twitter, etc… have some kind of foot print in Utah

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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A Utah resident connects to a server in California, controlled by a company in California. This seems like interstate commerce to me, and is thus regulated by federal law, not the laws of individual states. Consider Wickard v. Filburn[0], in which the courts ruled that a farmer growing crops on his own land, to feed to his own animals, all within a single state, was participating in "interstate commerce". Given this…

I may be wrong, but I think it depends on whether it actually conflicts with any federal law. States can pass laws that affect interstate commerce if there's no superceding federal law and if they don't fall afoul of the Dormant Commerce Clause, which sort of generically restricts interstate protectionism.

So, for example, I could setup a server in Oregon, which responds to requests received from other servers in Oregon[0], and then suddenly I find myself in legal trouble in Florida? Why am I subject to Florida law when I live in Oregon, and I have no representation in the Florida legislature?

[0]: In this example, I connect to an Oregon ISP and respond to requests being relayed through this ISP, but I never directly connect to servers in other states. This is a reductionist view, and may be silly, but it helps make my point.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I haven't read the bills yet but according to the article it applies to children under 18. 17-year-old me would have considered this draconian bullsh*t, for the same reasons I would now. (So does dad me, incidentally. My kid's messages have always been her business, not mine.)

> 17-year-old me would have considered this draconian bullsh t, for the same reasons I would now. If anyone thinks that this bill is going to keep 17 year olds from accessing everything from Reddit to GitHub, they are going to be very disappointed. It's kind of wild to see so much of these comments insisting that anyone under the age of 18 be locked up and prevented from accessing basic internet sites and* encouragin…

I don't think people instituting such laws are young enough to remember contet blockers at school.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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post #245

The idea that nobody is entitled to privacy until they turn 18 is crazy. I shudder for all the LGBT kids whose parents all now have a (state enforced!) right to snoop on them. (Honestly headline should be: “Utah bill gives parents full access to their children's online accounts, including posts and private messages”)

> that nobody is entitled to privacy until they turn 18 is crazy But precedented, through the history of parenting.

Child abuse is precedented, doesn't make it okay.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Social media, crypto, gambling and the cigarette industries should be legislated away. Yes.

> Social media, crypto, gambling and the cigarette industries should be legislated away. Yes. Ironically posted on a social media site (Hacker News has the characteristics of "Social Media Site" under this definition). Reddit would also be gone. It's funny to read all the comments from people who think "social media" just means "sites I don't like"

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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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post #68

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Just more of the unintended consequences we all know will come from this.

There won’t be any. Look, it’s fun to imagine these shitty lawmakers getting bit by their own laws applied to the letter but that’s not how it will go. The law will only ever be enforced against social media platforms they see as threatening their ability to shelter their kids. I think it says a lot about any politician that pushes for laws that are meant to be selectively enforced.

> Look, it’s fun to imagine these shitty lawmakers getting bit by their own laws applied to the letter but that’s not how it will go. The law will only ever be enforced against social media platforms they see as threatening their ability to shelter their kids.

It’ll be enforced against whoever individual citizens decide to enforce it against; its a purely private right of action.

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