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Post by judge2020 »

ryankshaw wrote: post #31
taylodl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call their bluff - don’t make your service available in Utah.

I live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.

From other comments, it seems the definition is not "what you assume is a social media app" but "any service with over 5 million users that facilitates chat via posts". I am 99% certain this includes Hacker News, Steam, probably also bugs.chromium.org and bugzilla.mozilla.org, and maybe even any website that allows user comments if they happen to have over 5 million users.

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Post by ashleyn »

krapp wrote: post #19

I assume by default the true motive behind this is surveilling and outing gay and lgbt youth, thought-policing and suppressing progressive political speech and activism. I don't trust the motives of any red state in this regard.

That was the first thing I thought of, personally. The internet is how I came to learn what transgender identity was in the thick of the Bush era, when you could not talk about these things with anyone in person. In many parts of the country, that hasn't changed since then, or it's even gotten worse. The internet helped me put into context a lot of things I simply couldn't talk about with mom and dad, or even god forbid, let them find out it was something I even wanted to talk about.

This wasn't mentioned in the debate over the bill (only it being marketed as some "common sense" bipartisan initiative), but I strongly suspect it benefited from the culture war over queer kids, and they will be disproportionately harmed by this.

One thing worth mentioning is that it only affects platforms with >5M users, and many of the resources I used back then were garage-run websites with much fewer users. I'm kind of mixed on this because I do believe major platforms are better equipped to handle abuse reports than rinky-dink forums. But on the flip side, said rinky-dink forums weren't constantly manipulating you for attention.

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Post by swader999 »

raincole wrote: post #103
holmesworcester wrote: post #95

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I haven't read the bills yet but according to the article it applies to children under 18. 17-year-old me would have considered this draconian bullsh*t, for the same reasons I would now. (So does dad me, incidentally. My kid's messages have always been her business, not mine.)

I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

I'm sure our parents would have all let us sign up for a programming site. This bill still allows for that.

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Post by eru »

paxys wrote: post #29
meghan_rain wrote: post #28

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Lmao imagine Utah becoming the most mentally healthy region on earth, suicide rates plummeting, productivity up 300%, people spending time with parents and grandparents again? record sign ups in sports clubs, record birth rates etc. Be careful what you wish for ;-)

If the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire. I'd still not like to live in that world.

> If the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire.

That has never worked before. I don't think it'll work in the future.

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Post by yieldcrv »

veec_cas_tant wrote: post #77
ryankshaw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Utah. If that's what happens, that would be awesome! "Sorry kids, no fb/tiktok/insta and there's nothing I can do about it. None of them work where we live" Would be a huge win for all parents. No social media, and we don't have to be the bad guys taking it away.

Hopefully this is hyperbole. Seems a bit extreme to hope the government legislates away industries because you don't want to handle the parenting yourself.

I hope that corporations more frequently put less relevant jurisdictions in their place and remind representatives that they are in competition with other jurisdictions and this overrides their public service ideas.

So I’m more of a fan of seeing that. Not the actual outcome.

Would make more people choose more collaborative solutions faster.

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Post by 14 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #116
throwayyy479087 wrote: post #83

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Yes, and a 13 year old should absolutely not use any of those services. Discord in particular has become known as “groomercord” for it’s open pedophilia.

Agreed. Hacker News had a good run. I'm going to miss it when it's decided that tracking enough PII on its users to be compliant with this law (and the ones that will follow) is more trouble than it's worth to Y-Combinator, but so it goes. The open forum era was a grand experiment, and the experiment is winding down.

Can you not just vpn in to Canada with me for the time being? I mean hopefully they don’t implement it site wide for all regions I can’t imagine them doing that.

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Post by swader999 »

eru wrote: post #118
throwayyy479087 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and a 13 year old should absolutely not use any of those services. Discord in particular has become known as “groomercord” for it’s open pedophilia.

Why should a 13 year old not use GitHub?

They still can with parental permission.

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Post by prawn »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #69

Sure, let's blame social media for the troubles of our youth. It's not the endless wars. It's not the endless poverty. It's not the endless divisiveness. It's not the endless media fearmongering of X or Y. It's TikTok. It's Instagram. Etc.

Is this a bit like "what about all the other cancers?!" in a discussion about breast cancer? It's not as though this prevents action/attention for poverty or other issues. It's one tack of many, whether you agree or not with the plan itself.

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Post by staunton »

mrcwinn wrote: post #110

The Democrats have their own flaws certainly, but I’m having such a hard time finding a consistent ideology among conservatives. Free speech absolutism, mixed with parent choice, no choice for women, censorship for some kinds of speech, anti-regulation limited government but strong regulation of tech products. I just can’t square any of this.

What do you need a "consistent ideology" for? These things seem to be what the majority of people in those states want (for better or worse).

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Post by anon291 »

monksy wrote: post #38

This is a strange way to legislate behavior. The fact that they're selectively cutting access to a population during a time period rather than limiting the overall negative reprocutions is a weird thing. This is not the internet I want to participate in. It's freaking scary that the government is associating your ability to freely access information based on your class and standing. Why we have weak journalists and a…

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