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The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by thefounder »

joenot443 wrote: post #28
zillolo wrote: post #10

There seems to be a lot of pro-congress sentiment ITT right now, which is worrying to me. TikTok is a capitalist social media company that certaily deserves a lot of scrutiny, especially considering ties to China. But if you think Congress did a good job here...then I don't know how we live in such wildly different worlds. Asking that CEO "does TikTok access the home wifi network?" is such an incomplete question. Eve…

There are plenty of very reasonable Yes/No questions which he made every possible effort not to answer, something I found very telling. On more than one occasion he was asked if he supports the ongoing state-led genocide of the Uyghur population in Xinjiang and he repeatedly refused to give an answer.

So what answer did you expect from him? Last time i've checked China was still a communist state

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by thefounder »

Beaver117 wrote: post #22

Congress is so out of touch with young people - the actual users of TikTok that I'm surprised there aren't riots in the streets. Why do we let these old geezers control our country?

It looks like you don't spend much time with young people. Most of them don't event know what the "congress" is.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by thefounder »

cool_dude85 wrote: post #13
luckylion wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It will be far better having US as dominant power than having the axis countries like China, Russia, Iran. For us in Europe, that's certainly true. For someone in South America where the US had installed some dictator, or funded and trained some paramilitary groups to clear lands for US fruit companies, I don't think that answer is quite as clear.

Let's be fair, the US has installed and supported plenty of dictators in Europe. In Greece, Spain and Romania at least the US has strongly supported the dictators there.

That sounds like a conspiracy theory. It was more like the U.S didn't support democracy in certain European countries(i.e left them to Russia) than to support dictators backed by communist systems.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by thefounder »

camillomiller wrote: post #18
dlyco wrote: post #8

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It will be far better having US as dominant power than having the axis countries like China, Russia, Iran. I prefer democracy over dictatorship what about you? The difference between relation of US companies and government vs Chinese companies and government, US companies often go head-to-head with the government on policies, or they will need "lobby" it, but for Chinese companies, Chinese government have communist p…

> I prefer democracy over dictatorship what about you? Where exactly would you like to have that? I guess not in South America, or any other country where the US world order was better off with a dictatorship rather than a democracy. Snap out of the stupor, my friend. The US has only one interest in mind and it’s not the interest of democracy, but rather that of the military industrial complex. You can keep on drinki…

You are no pro China but you are pro China. If you want a communist system then go live there. Who wants to live in a society where bad mouthing the system puts you in jail? Or you have to live a lunatic(i.e dictator) at the helm your whole life.

Surely the U.S is defending its interests first but if I have to choose who will influence my life more I will choose the system aligned with my values.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by thefounder »

crayboff wrote: post #16
dlyco wrote: post #7

It is crazy US takes so long still not banning TikTok. Anyone think Chinese Communist Party has nothing to do with ByteDance, TikTok are stupid and naive, and if you believe a single word the Chinese Communist Party is even more stupid. Look at Twitter, Facebook, Google, Instagram, even TikTok and many more tech companies are banned in China, what on Earth are the Americans' thinking? You guys are holy saints to thin…

One of the best things and worst things about America is the first amendment. It is amazing that you can say or make just about anything without the government jailing you or shutting you down. It feels horrible because that freedom necessitates people who believe everyone else has the same ability to say or make anything they want, even if you find that stuff disgusting or risky. Yes, there are definitely some limit…

I believe the 1st amendment does not apply to foreign entities. These entities are more like foreign agents. Imagine Google, Apple, Microsoft, Tiktok and most of the media companies(i.e Fox, CNN) would be owned by the CCP. What influence do you think they would have over the U.S population if they would be left unchecked? Should they benefit from 1st amendment?

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Post by crayboff »

irl_chad wrote: post #30
crayboff wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the best things and worst things about America is the first amendment. It is amazing that you can say or make just about anything without the government jailing you or shutting you down. It feels horrible because that freedom necessitates people who believe everyone else has the same ability to say or make anything they want, even if you find that stuff disgusting or risky. Yes, there are definitely some limit…

Russia and Belarus are both members of the Axis of Evil too, so yes??

Who decides who is in the Axis of Evil? Do you want the Biden administration deciding? Do you want Trump to decide?

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by crayboff »

thefounder wrote: post #35
crayboff wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the best things and worst things about America is the first amendment. It is amazing that you can say or make just about anything without the government jailing you or shutting you down. It feels horrible because that freedom necessitates people who believe everyone else has the same ability to say or make anything they want, even if you find that stuff disgusting or risky. Yes, there are definitely some limit…

I believe the 1st amendment does not apply to foreign entities. These entities are more like foreign agents. Imagine Google, Apple, Microsoft, Tiktok and most of the media companies(i.e Fox, CNN) would be owned by the CCP. What influence do you think they would have over the U.S population if they would be left unchecked? Should they benefit from 1st amendment?

Where is the line? There are a lot of Chinese companies who make things that are used in the US by US citizens. What about companies from other countries like Ukraine, Russia, Germany?

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by kelseyfrog »

irl_chad wrote: post #29
kelseyfrog wrote: post #25

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I'd rather be brainwashed by China than destroy the 1st amendment. Without the 1st, we have nothing. I will die to defend the right of free speech in this country.

Who is proposing to destroy the first amendment? The proposal is to ban a piece of Chinese state sponsored spyware.

Just because you don't agree with the speech protected by the 1st amendment doesn't mean that you won't give your life protecting it.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by _8j50 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #25
_8j50 wrote: post #5

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If you allow foreingn controlled media or even domestic social media that is being abused by foreign entities like russia and the 2016 election you are right. The risk is real and it's not too late to take action and mitigate it.

I'd rather be brainwashed by China than destroy the 1st amendment. Without the 1st, we have nothing. I will die to defend the right of free speech in this country.

I don't usually call people names but you sir are...well I don't want to piss off dang too much so let me self-redact here...

You will have the 1st amendement now but soon China will destabilize your government even more than russia and if you don't get a civil war you get a chinese satellite fascist state and you think there will be a firsr amendement in any scenario where China brainwashes a significant number of americans strategically?

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by _8j50 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #38
irl_chad wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is proposing to destroy the first amendment? The proposal is to ban a piece of Chinese state sponsored spyware.

Just because you don't agree with the speech protected by the 1st amendment doesn't mean that you won't give your life protecting it.

It's not speech, It's commerce, you all have taken over hn basically at this point. Tiktok can promote ccp or even nazism it just can't be a business doing social media. I can't provide services showing people how to make bombs or kill other people for example, I can show you I just can't charge for it and profit.

Honestly, you can only be one of two things, you have never actually read the full text of the constitution and you are brainwashed on tiktok or some other social media or you are an actual CCP troll. No in between.

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