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The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by favaq »

zillolo wrote: post #10

There seems to be a lot of pro-congress sentiment ITT right now, which is worrying to me. TikTok is a capitalist social media company that certaily deserves a lot of scrutiny, especially considering ties to China. But if you think Congress did a good job here...then I don't know how we live in such wildly different worlds. Asking that CEO "does TikTok access the home wifi network?" is such an incomplete question. Eve…

>Asking that CEO "does TikTok access the home wifi network?" is such an incomplete question.

It's similar to what phones ask the user on behalf of the app.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E84WQUJVoAAtPS3.jpg

I don't see what the problem is, imo it is a specific question. Almost no apps access the home wifi network, they connect to a remote server on the wan side of the network going directly through the default gateway/router, knowing nothing of the devices in the lan.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by mathgladiator »

Beaver117 wrote: post #22

Congress is so out of touch with young people - the actual users of TikTok that I'm surprised there aren't riots in the streets. Why do we let these old geezers control our country?

Because they are the ones that stand up and win because kids are dumb and selfish. I've thought about running, but then I think about it and 'Nope' on out of that thought...

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Post by lazyeye »

Beaver117 wrote: post #22

Congress is so out of touch with young people - the actual users of TikTok that I'm surprised there aren't riots in the streets. Why do we let these old geezers control our country?

Because young people, like everbody at that stage in life, are too stupid and ignorant to know how stupid and ignorant they are.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by kelseyfrog »

_8j50 wrote: post #5
kelseyfrog wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if anyone is going to brainwash you and turn you into an assett it should be your own government. The human brain cares just about as much about where propaganda is coming from as evolution has a goal in mind. With that, if the US wants to outcompete China on propaganda, then we've already lost. As long as there's a country willing to go one step farther than we will, we're fighting a battle we can't win.

If you allow foreingn controlled media or even domestic social media that is being abused by foreign entities like russia and the 2016 election you are right. The risk is real and it's not too late to take action and mitigate it.

I'd rather be brainwashed by China than destroy the 1st amendment. Without the 1st, we have nothing. I will die to defend the right of free speech in this country.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by permo-w »

zillolo wrote: post #10

There seems to be a lot of pro-congress sentiment ITT right now, which is worrying to me. TikTok is a capitalist social media company that certaily deserves a lot of scrutiny, especially considering ties to China. But if you think Congress did a good job here...then I don't know how we live in such wildly different worlds. Asking that CEO "does TikTok access the home wifi network?" is such an incomplete question. Eve…

this comment started out as a reasonable critique of congressional behaviour, then transitioned into something much murkier

a good argument to support a bad one

yes, congress may well be capricious and incompetent, but that doesn’t make tiktok any less of a colossal security threat, which it appears you’re trying to indicate

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Post by noahtallen »

dlyco wrote: post #7

It is crazy US takes so long still not banning TikTok. Anyone think Chinese Communist Party has nothing to do with ByteDance, TikTok are stupid and naive, and if you believe a single word the Chinese Communist Party is even more stupid. Look at Twitter, Facebook, Google, Instagram, even TikTok and many more tech companies are banned in China, what on Earth are the Americans' thinking? You guys are holy saints to thin…

What do you mean what took us so long? As far as I know, practically no country has fully banned TikTok. If you mean banned on government devices: firstly, the US did do that, just like the EU, and secondly, that’s not even the real problem (which is propaganda and manipulating what media people constantly consume)

Has your country done a full TikTok ban?

Anyways, like the other comment said, this issue in America is less about do we trust China (a majority of people don’t) or do we want to be saints, and more about rights. Outright blocking an app (or website for that matter) at all is completely unprecedented in the US, as far as I know. And the second part is that TikTok is incredibly popular, which means banning it would be possibly ruinous for someone’s election chances.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by joenot443 »

zillolo wrote: post #10

There seems to be a lot of pro-congress sentiment ITT right now, which is worrying to me. TikTok is a capitalist social media company that certaily deserves a lot of scrutiny, especially considering ties to China. But if you think Congress did a good job here...then I don't know how we live in such wildly different worlds. Asking that CEO "does TikTok access the home wifi network?" is such an incomplete question. Eve…

There are plenty of very reasonable Yes/No questions which he made every possible effort not to answer, something I found very telling.

On more than one occasion he was asked if he supports the ongoing state-led genocide of the Uyghur population in Xinjiang and he repeatedly refused to give an answer.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by irl_chad »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #25
_8j50 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you allow foreingn controlled media or even domestic social media that is being abused by foreign entities like russia and the 2016 election you are right. The risk is real and it's not too late to take action and mitigate it.

I'd rather be brainwashed by China than destroy the 1st amendment. Without the 1st, we have nothing. I will die to defend the right of free speech in this country.

Who is proposing to destroy the first amendment? The proposal is to ban a piece of Chinese state sponsored spyware.

Re: The TikTok Hearings Inspired Little Faith in Social Media or in Congress

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Post by irl_chad »

crayboff wrote: post #16
dlyco wrote: post #7

It is crazy US takes so long still not banning TikTok. Anyone think Chinese Communist Party has nothing to do with ByteDance, TikTok are stupid and naive, and if you believe a single word the Chinese Communist Party is even more stupid. Look at Twitter, Facebook, Google, Instagram, even TikTok and many more tech companies are banned in China, what on Earth are the Americans' thinking? You guys are holy saints to thin…

One of the best things and worst things about America is the first amendment. It is amazing that you can say or make just about anything without the government jailing you or shutting you down. It feels horrible because that freedom necessitates people who believe everyone else has the same ability to say or make anything they want, even if you find that stuff disgusting or risky. Yes, there are definitely some limit…

Russia and Belarus are both members of the Axis of Evil too, so yes??
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