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Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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I am similar unclear on where this supposed bright line sites but to try and steal man your argument a bit is it possible you looking for the distinction between excludable and rivalrous goods?

Just reading through, the distinction seems pretty obvious to me. It doesn’t reinforce several of my ideological perspectives, even contradicts some, but the distinction is plain as day. Physical things are subject to the laws of physics (can’t be in two places at once), idea “things” are much more ephemeral and thus much less restricted by those same rules (an idea can propagate basically infinitely and be “had” by…

The creative effort comprising time and attention that goes into bringing a work into existence is rivalrous. That's what IP law aims to protect/reward. People can insist on pretending not to understand this every time the argument comes up, but it's at their own peril; the world is not going to undergo IP reform as a result of anyone misconstruing or misrepresenting the issue as if it's really about whether or not person A is deprived of their copy of work Z when person B makes a copy of Z for themselves. It's not and never has been. It's about encouraging creators by offering protections in the hopes that doing so will lead to more people opting to create.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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> You're saying something similar to "you wouldn't download a car". It's applying without considering it. The digital book isn't being kept at the old location because there is no digital book in the physical book. It's the only way to transfer a single copy of a book without destroying the physical copy. Judges should consider stuff like this and it's a disappointing ruling. But go on...

Exactly. And there lies the issue. Internet archive has the book and lends the book simultaneously. Hence why they lost.

Do you think it would have made a difference if they bought three copies of the book and then shredded two of them? That way they would have the original they scanned, their digital version they copy to lend, and the loaned digital copy.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Having a fixed day off allows people to plan leisure activities with friends and family as it was guaranteed they too would also have the day off.

So, should this be extended to all workers? And all places that people might spend leisure time? Let's say restaurants and bars, cinemas, public swimming pools, markets, amusement parks. As those people should have same exact rights to spend leisure time with their families and friends.

Indeed, so at least in Australia they have penalty rates where you can get up to 2.5x normal pay rate for working on a public holiday for example.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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The golden rule is pretty universal for human.

The golden rule fails as soon as you introduce someone of one culture to another. Example: my friends and I have a massively western-masculine internal culture. At parties people would ask if we were "ok" because a minute earlier we'd have been shouting at each other how smooth brained and stupid each other was. Of course we'd be fine, that's how we talk to each other. We'd get frustrated if someone tried to talk thr…

> my friends and I have a massively western-masculine internal culture.

Sounds to me like you just have "teenage boy" culture.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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“We will appeal.” https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/16394247772647219...

I said it before on this very forum. Wikipedia does not really need your donations these days. IA just might.

If the IA loses all appeals and the lending library is totally destroyed, is there a firewall between that and the entity that is archiving the internet, or does the whole thing live and die together?

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Disney and Electronic Arts employs hundreds of thousands of employees that gets to enjoy their salary. They are paid through the IP. How is that not IP working as intended?

The employees toil to create amazing stuff and receive a pittance compared to what it's worth. Most of the profit goes to execs who have had no hand in creating anything of value.

Is this comment meant to say that not having IP laws would somehow assist in fixing this problem?

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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The comments on here are extremely myopic, as the meme “copyright bad” is firmly lodged in the minds of thousands or millions of people who don’t rely on it to make a living.

It can’t imagine a more practical or metaphysical violation of copyright than to literally copy the pages of a book and then distribute copies of this book to however many people you feel like.

I guess you could violate the rights more by taking the author’s name off of it.

This mad ideology is destructive and blind. No one has a right to the product of another’s labor. A dysfunctional system doesn’t change the ethics here.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Initially I'm enraged against the publishers, the judge and the system in general as many of you, but they are not the issue, while I can't talk on behalf of IA, I don't see this as a fight against the publishers, but a fight against broken business models flourishing because and protected by broken laws meant to protect earlier broken business models The current law is broken, we know that, but most of us don't gras…

I agree with you until you parroted the propaganda trope about Roe v Wade. Roe has always been known as “bad law” even though it was never law, only illegitimate judicial dictate. It’s always been known as one of the worst rulings in American history. It’s unfortunate that you would demonstrate such logically compromise in such a blatant manner, ironically, in a post about “bad law”. Ironically, overturning Roe speci…

I'm confused. You act hostile yet you seem to agree with the original comment.

The reason Row v Wade was overturned is that the judges don't want to have to decide if abortion is legal or not. They want legislators to be responsible for that.

You, the judges, and the parent comment are all in agreement here.

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