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Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#141

Post by defrost » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 5:20 AM UTC

barrysteve wrote: post #140

defrost wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly true that there are people today with deeply held spiritual beliefs with tens of thousands of years of continuity that don't revolve about a singular interventionalist monotheist God - which rather dents the claim that "but it's all the same God".

Yeah that theological argument is surmountable, from my eyes. I'm happy to have both ideas on as options, the monotheism one was left off the map. The Indian and Japanese beliefs are particularly fascinating in the departure from monotheism. The Shinto practices and Hindu beliefs are something I have left inadequately studied so far.

Surmountable?

It's not exactly a game that you win, missionaries were just another group of colonisers bent on the destruction of other.

See, also: https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-libr...

and others.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#142

Post by ako » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:17 AM UTC

barrysteve wrote: post #139

jemmyw wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inside and outside perspective. (1) If you're religious and inside then it's so important to you, it makes no sense to casually dismiss the ideas that are ingrained in your life about the ideas of God and religion. (2) If you're like me, on the outside and not religious, can you understand that I can shrug those off and call them a lie very easily, because they don't matter to me at all? From the outside it is li…

Engaging in blunt conversation on here is valuable to me aswell. It can be difficult to summarize a topic like religion (so much to say) that I know exists, but isn't directly my faith. Protection from offense is not something I need in my faith, though I understand sensitivity to offense is common in American-focused websites. You are free to say whatever you want and I love that freedom. I want it too. I believe sa…

If damaging outcome to our youth is your main concern we might want to start by censoring social media altogether. And alcohol, and not doing any sports, and eating fastfood, and being overweight…

But back to religion, I think religion opens the doors to a society that accepts lies as facts. It basically legalizes stating assumptions for facts, and making those assumptions have big impact on society. And thereby it states that it’s ok to do that on a larger scale, the way you see fox media spewing lies as facts, and how the way Trump talks is ok.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#143

Post by adrianN » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:22 AM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #124

deserialized wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dogmatic and wrong but at least you said it with confidence. This simplistic line of 'porn bad' is just the pretense for labeling anything out of line with your religion's prescribed morality as pornohrafic and therefore worthy of being expunged by violent means. This ideology never stops at videos containing nudity or sex but continues on to being directed at music, literature, women who don't cover their heads, Tra…

The opinion "porn bad" (for children) isn't limited to conservatives or religious people. Here's what Unicef says: > Pornographic content can harm children. Exposure to pornography at a young age may lead to poor mental health, sexism and objectification, sexual violence, and other negative outcomes. ... > UNICEF is alarmed by the massive quantity of pornography available online, including increasingly graphic and ex…

I wonder how we determined that porn is bad for children. Were there any studies done on the subject? What would I need to google for to find them?

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#144

Post by fsckboy » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:47 AM UTC

ako wrote: post #39

inDigiNeous wrote: post #20

Well, censoring porn is one of the things I would happy to be censoring. Although this leads down a steep road easily to censor other content also, yet for a long time I have wondered why is it so easy to find porn, and why is nobody doing anything about it ? Porn is probably one of the major addictive behavioural and thought changing things in this world currently. It takes under 3 seconds to find porn if you want i…

I’d prefer if we’d start by censoring violence and religion. Religion is just a big lie to manipulate people.

> I’d prefer if we’d start by censoring violence and religion. Religion is just a big lie

you are in favor of censoring violence from video games? you're not lying? and you said "start by", so you'd be on board censoring pornography too so long as it started with censoring violence and religion?

I have a sense you didn't mean any of that.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#145

Post by barrysteve » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:51 AM UTC

ako wrote: post #142

barrysteve wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engaging in blunt conversation on here is valuable to me aswell. It can be difficult to summarize a topic like religion (so much to say) that I know exists, but isn't directly my faith. Protection from offense is not something I need in my faith, though I understand sensitivity to offense is common in American-focused websites. You are free to say whatever you want and I love that freedom. I want it too. I believe sa…

If damaging outcome to our youth is your main concern we might want to start by censoring social media altogether. And alcohol, and not doing any sports, and eating fastfood, and being overweight… But back to religion, I think religion opens the doors to a society that accepts lies as facts. It basically legalizes stating assumptions for facts, and making those assumptions have big impact on society. And thereby it s…

The black and white idea of censoring is beyond my want. We can talk about those things for sure,

- Alcohol displays the % alcohol content on the bottle and has age-verification for purchase in some countries/retailers. An equivalent for porn would in theory, be a plausible discussion.

- Hard contact sports are battling CTE brain trauma as we speak. It's worth trying to save our men from injuries that permanently degrade their ability to contribute to society. We are working on preventing the damage to our youth from the whole concept of sports. Broadly speaking, similar preventative idea could be plausible for teenagers-home-alone and in low-income neighbourhoods who need a help up (and off porn).

- Fast food has changed. Coke moved to Diet-Coke and then widespread acceptance of No-Sugar varieties. That is a huge change that could find a metaphorical analogy in porn. Moving the majority of teenage porn consumption from hard-core down to soft-core, would be a theoretically plausible conversation.

- Being overweight is less clear as the causes-and-effects are so numerous and can combine unhealthily, it is not easy to my mind, to make measurable and agreeable claims towards limiting it's downsides. You got me on this one.

Yeah it brings me to low to watch factual debate fly out the window. The freedom to say whatever you want, I love, but a government or official somewhere shouldn't be allowed to have no grain-of-truth at all, in his interpretative rhetoric. There should be a fact at the bottom somewhere.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#146

Post by barrysteve » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 7:47 AM UTC

defrost wrote: post #141

barrysteve wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that theological argument is surmountable, from my eyes. I'm happy to have both ideas on as options, the monotheism one was left off the map. The Indian and Japanese beliefs are particularly fascinating in the departure from monotheism. The Shinto practices and Hindu beliefs are something I have left inadequately studied so far.

Surmountable? It's not exactly a game that you win, missionaries were just another group of colonisers bent on the destruction of other . See, also: https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-libr... and others.

I don't feel the need to defend against the idea that missionaries and colonizers were Saturday-Morning-Cartoon villains hellbent on death and destruction. Not saying you said it like that, but just want to express the notion that it leaves me ambivalent.

Symbolically they might have threatened 's society and religion/faith/beliefs.

But in practice the English "invaders" of the Aboriginals have brought a lot of positives and sought to preserve Aboriginal culture and beliefs in written works, film & media pieces (limited due to Aboriginal beliefs), live performances and routine practices, and linguistic, seasonal and historical documentation.

It is not reasonable to say that Australia is a British country, it isn't. The structural bones the Brits built and the blood they poured into cultivating the land, bore a lot of good fruit, for Aboriginals and the native Australians, born of emancipated criminals. There is a lot the Brits failed to do, leaving a good structure to build into the future was not a failure of theirs.

British missionaries have always been stuck between thoroughly empirical/routinized Kingdom and following the mission to nurture the people on the land. When those two elements disagree, there's not a lot of control in the missionary's hands.

Some of the Medicine Leaves pieces are really nice.

https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/artworks/jacinta-nu...

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#147

Post by cuttysnark » Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:43 PM UTC

moi2388 wrote: post #29

The USA is so f*cking retarded. Sure, take all the drugs and pills you want. Sure, but guns. Sure, watch all the death and violence you want. But don’t you dare look at a nipple!

> is so f*cking retarded

It's possible to express yourself without resorting to words/phrases like this. Shake your vocab tree. There are a million other appropriate ways to express your belief that a person thing (or country) is backwards, regressive or foolish.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#148

Post by Gustomaximus » Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 4:00 AM UTC

LinuxBender wrote: post #114

Gustomaximus wrote: post #52

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Also who defines 'porn'. Is porn any photo that shows nudity, or where do you draw the line on vanilla videos vs more extreme. You might end up with devices blocking all photos of a woman topless, or naked men, even art. Does Michelangelo's David statue get his privates covered or blocked? Or like in China where they increasing block things like picture/videos of women eating bananas as that is taken as sexual (and t…

If we are including all fetishes and kinks, then any photo, video or drawing that shows feet is porn. The internet has a massive foot fetish. Some people are aroused by eyes. So any photo, video or drawing that contains eyes is porn. Some people are into ... I mean, I could keep going but it's already silly. There used to be clear lines drawn for porn penetration, oral copulation, etc... but those lines have been qui…

Quite a coincidental headline to read one day later:

"Principal fired after Florida students shown Michelangelo statue"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65071989

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#149

Post by deserialized » Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 7:24 AM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #124

deserialized wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dogmatic and wrong but at least you said it with confidence. This simplistic line of 'porn bad' is just the pretense for labeling anything out of line with your religion's prescribed morality as pornohrafic and therefore worthy of being expunged by violent means. This ideology never stops at videos containing nudity or sex but continues on to being directed at music, literature, women who don't cover their heads, Tra…

The opinion "porn bad" (for children) isn't limited to conservatives or religious people. Here's what Unicef says: > Pornographic content can harm children. Exposure to pornography at a young age may lead to poor mental health, sexism and objectification, sexual violence, and other negative outcomes. ... > UNICEF is alarmed by the massive quantity of pornography available online, including increasingly graphic and ex…

What's lacking here is any sort of definition for 'porn', just another 'porn bad' regurgitation

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

#150

Post by deserialized » Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 7:26 AM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #128

kar5pt wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP didn't say "porn bad for children". They said "porn bad".

I was responding to deserialized, who cited examples like public libraries where books are available to children. (At least I'm not aware of any public libraries with adult-only sections.) And in the context of the overall discussion of a bill attempting to restrict specifically children's (not adults') access to porn.

What porn have you been reading at the public library champ?

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