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Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by jstarfish »

briandear wrote: post #69
haswell wrote: post #62

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> Tech companies have absolute power over people’s lives The kind of power wielded by tech companies is not the same kind of power wielded by the police. Comparing them directly in this way runs into some major false equivalence problems. I still see major potential for abuse of such a database and I’m not claiming it is without issue. But logging an interaction with an armed public servant who has the power to detai…

A tendency towards shooting civilians? Here’s every officer involved shooting in Los Angeles for 2022: https://da.lacounty.gov/reports/ois/2022 When reading the reports it seems that those shootings were not unreasonable given the circumstances.

> When reading the reports it seems that those shootings were not unreasonable given the circumstances.

With cops and teenagers, the only narrative you're ever going to hear is whichever one paints them in a sympathetic light.

They would never do anything to provoke a violent response from the subject, no sir. They always announce their presence loud and clear and never surprise volatile subjects. They always opt for nonlethal measures before pulling out the service weapon.

Both cliques will also stick to their story even when you discover video evidence directly contradicting it.

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by jstarfish »

Arrath wrote: post #87
heavyset_go wrote: post #39

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You could do one better with SDR units and use trilateration of police radios/radar to track them in real-time.

All but the most rural police departments have long since moved to frequency hopping, encrypted radios thanks to DHS initiatives and funding, no? This also adds complexity to the task of triangulating them doesn't it?

At this point, there's so much tech emitting radio waves in the average police car you'd need bespoke methods to detect most of it. The stack and operational procedures change every 5-10 years too. They used to (~20 years ago?) drive around with active radar engaged so they could pull over speeders without having to stop and use the handheld unit, but this would broadcast their proximity to everybody with a radar detector as they drove around. Easy to triangulate with consumer hardware.

With object-detection tech being commodity, it might be easier to just deploy RPi cameras and flag any vehicle with "POLICE" vinyls on the side. They out themselves there since no civilian is driving a similar vehicle.

Undercover cars are a different matter. You'd have a hard time disambiguating service vehicles from civilian-owned. Most of those even retain the side-view spotlight. You could safely ignore any with "PRIVATE" or "SECURITY" written on the side though; the cops out themselves again since most departments don't buy slick-tops and then slap "POLICE" vinyls on it (though I think Georgia departments are compelled to do this; I've seen black vinyl lettering on black undercover cars which I assume was meant to skirt some law).

Option B: most departments outsource maintenance of their vehicles to contracted civilian mechanics. Drive around town enough and you'll probably find a lot with a bunch of police cars parked there. Plant an ALPR camera facing the lot and record plates. Then you can use ALPR around town.

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by Arrath »

jstarfish wrote: post #92
Arrath wrote: post #87

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All but the most rural police departments have long since moved to frequency hopping, encrypted radios thanks to DHS initiatives and funding, no? This also adds complexity to the task of triangulating them doesn't it?

At this point, there's so much tech emitting radio waves in the average police car you'd need bespoke methods to detect most of it. The stack and operational procedures change every 5-10 years too. They used to (~20 years ago?) drive around with active radar engaged so they could pull over speeders without having to stop and use the handheld unit, but this would broadcast their proximity to everybody with a radar det…

Staking out the maintenance depot or department fleet yard is probably the most expedient solution to getting a database of the vehicles in the first place, you're absolutely right.

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by ofchnofc »

vuln wrote: post #86
haswell wrote: post #81

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> Police and Law Enforcement salivate at the data and control Social Media/Tech companies have. Of course they do, but the core point remains: the kind of power wielded is not the same. Pinterest can’t show up at your door with guns based on the things you pin. The reason police salivate is because of the possibilities unlocked by having such data while also being “the law”. I’m in no way claiming that this power is…

Sorry I guess I'm not keeping up. If tech has the data, law enforcement has access to said data. Simple as.

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Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by kevviiinn »

zo1 wrote: post #47
moshun wrote: post #37

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Interesting that you consider the few avenues citizens have to hold police accountable as a path toward anarchy and “black thug culture”. I’m curious if you have the same energy for the reasons police are being watched in the first place.

Of course, I'm an anarcho capitalist. I think the power that police are given and use is both scary and not healthy for society. They will abuse it, and they will escalate violence. But I also understand that at this point in time, society and culture is getting out of control and violence seems to be the only answer. I have no problem with them needing to use violence against criminals that are bullies towards the i…

Do you think markets can exist without regulation?

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by Vaslo »

kevviiinn wrote: post #89
Vaslo wrote: post #71

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I find the fact that I cannot post certain ideas to Reddit in my local city subreddit without getting downvoted to Oblivion and then no longer can post at all due to negative karma problematic. In fact, I find this way more problematic for me than s handful of asshole cops. Should I start posting information about community managers or employees at Reddit who don’t help in this situation? Doesn’t matter what your equ…

If you discuss your ideas in public on main street and people got mad at you would you feel the same way? Why is reddit special?

People are welcome to be mad, I don’t care. But the words should be allowed to be there?

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by Vaslo »

hobs wrote: post #78
Vaslo wrote: post #71

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I find the fact that I cannot post certain ideas to Reddit in my local city subreddit without getting downvoted to Oblivion and then no longer can post at all due to negative karma problematic. In fact, I find this way more problematic for me than s handful of asshole cops. Should I start posting information about community managers or employees at Reddit who don’t help in this situation? Doesn’t matter what your equ…

Sign up a new account I guess? If the cops decide to beat your ass or follow you in reality your life is meaningfully changed, crying about post karma on reddit is so far divorced from the reality of the situation of cops killing people, stealing, and getting away with it. My partner is an attorney and she just sued the cops for improperly looking up a specific woman tens of thousands of times, checking in on her, ha…

How does one cop unlawfully looking up and harassing someone justify producing all the names of all the officers including those who are undercover?

That’s like asking for every mod name to be revealed on Hacker News in order to be able to pushback against a ban.

I don’t worry about cops beating my ass. I always comply when I’m confronted and it’s amazing but they treat me with respect. I also don’t commit violent crimes, that helps as well.

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by Vaslo »

bigbillheck wrote: post #75
Vaslo wrote: post #71

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I find the fact that I cannot post certain ideas to Reddit in my local city subreddit without getting downvoted to Oblivion and then no longer can post at all due to negative karma problematic. In fact, I find this way more problematic for me than s handful of asshole cops. Should I start posting information about community managers or employees at Reddit who don’t help in this situation? Doesn’t matter what your equ…

What kind of ideas?

Ideas like I’m not pro-Union and tend to vote republican. Just because people don’t like a side doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have voice.

I’m certainly not against investigating and punishing bad cops to the full extent of the law,but to post the names of all officers, many who are doing their job right and just, and many of whom are undercover? That’s ridiculous.

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by kevviiinn »

Vaslo wrote: post #96
kevviiinn wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you discuss your ideas in public on main street and people got mad at you would you feel the same way? Why is reddit special?

People are welcome to be mad, I don’t care. But the words should be allowed to be there?

I think audiences and communities are allowed to decide what they want to listen to, not to mention reddit is a corporation. The first amendment does not apply

Re: Watch the Watchers: LAPD officer database

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Post by ok_dad »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #83
harimau777 wrote: post #82

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Individual Facebook employees triggered a genocide?

I don't think any of them were conjoined twins or borg-like linked collectives if that's what you mean. So yes they were all individual people.

Which ones, specifically?
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