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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ithkuil »

antipaul wrote: post #273
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

They seem on the right path to become a platform.

They'll grow together with their customers. And the possibilities are huge

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nneonneo »

jonplackett wrote: post #454
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Whenever there’s a big shift like this it’s always tempting to look at the new thing as say how great it is - and ChatGPT is awesome. But it’s also worth looking at how shit the old thing has become. Google.com now literally delivers you an entire page of ads before any real results. It’s blatant profit-squeezing instead of trying to serve their users. This is their reward.

Or how Google now aggressively autocorrects search queries, to the point where I’m regularly spending 3-4 queries just trying to convince Google to accept the input as-is. I get that it’s likely an effort to assist mobile users who make lots of typos, but the fact that the same autocorrection is deployed on desktop computers rubs me the wrong way.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by qgin »

SpacePortKnight wrote: post #313

Bing's homepage is full of ads and sponsored content aka news. They have rewards in the top bar. Chat only works on Edge. I just directly use ChatGPT instead of going to Bing. I will continue to use the cleaner look of Google, even if they are a year late to the party.

The "rewards" thing is particularly embarrassing.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by nostrademons »

hcrisp wrote: post #464
plonk wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way this could be true is if Google has more than one AI division Google Brain and Deepmind? Not sure about the "no comm" part, but their HQs are in different countries.

In another HN article comment someone mentioned that it took Google Brain over a year to replicate the DeepMind AlphaZero code even though they are part of the same company. Yeah, I think there are barriers to communication there.

Also JAX came out of DeepMind and is being used by Search even though TensorFlow came out of Brain, moved to Core, and is being used everywhere else.

The first time I was at Google (~2010) you could send an e-mail to any engineer in the company and you'd get response offering to collaborate within an hour, and usually a CL under review by day's end. The second time I was at Google (present), it takes multiple quarters to get teams that report up through the same director to agree on who's doing which work.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by rafaelero »

OJFord wrote: post #484

I'm honestly surprised it's only 15.8%. I can only assume that speaks to how vastly many non-savvy (don't care or know about it) there are using it because it came with Edge which came with Windows which came with the computer.

The Edge requirement and Bing's waitlist are probably slowing things down. Also, people are probably still split between using Bing or ChatGPT.

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Post by koyote »

soiler wrote: post #427
super256 wrote: post #377

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> Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? I don't know, but I'm really sad to see how Android is currently performing in rich countries. Not stagnating, but losing. Here, in Germany, Android had a market share of over 70%(!). But over the last three years alone, Apple started eating Android's lunch and iOS' market share has increased from 28% to 38%, while Android's has decreased by the same amount (from…

> Personally, I'd say that at least Google's Android department is currently headless and has no idea what the users want. The clock change, while minor, really put the nail in the coffin for me. I have very little optimism for Android. Luckily, it still allows me to use an app to revert the clock display to an readable clock display. I don't particularly want to switch to iOS and I am happy about GrapheneOS, but it'…

Which clock change are you referring to? I don't think I've ever heard anything about this.

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Post by monksy »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #249
monksy wrote: post #185

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Let's not forget about the links to scam sites. This is one of the sites it shows you for "log in to g mail" https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/blogs/gmail-login.html

But you literally typed it in the same way that a scammer would word it and then not expect it to find a scam site?? Nice bait, ever considered being a journalist?

You don't seem to be very familiar with users that happen to be older. However, that search is uncomfortably common. Impersonation and scamming of their service is a problem, but when they help the user to the impersonation site.. that's on them.

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Post by aPoCoMiLogin »

saberience wrote: post #257
jacamera wrote: post #182

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The most illuminating thing about ChatGPT for me is just how terrible most programmers on HN apparently are. I thought it was just a funny meme that all we do is copy/paste from Stack Overflow but apparently that is literally what a lot of people are doing all day.

This comment is giving me “Look at me I’m so very smart” vibes. If you don’t have enough insight to understand how GPT4 could be useful for engineers you’re not as enlightened as you think you are.

This comment is giving me “Look at me I’m so very smart” vibes.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by TapWaterBandit »

danans wrote: post #165
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #107

While I agree with a bunch of other comments that are interested to see what happens in the long term, to me, all of this points to some profound organizational and cultural problems at Google. I base that statement on things I see as an external observer, from posts I've seen from current/ex-Googlers here on HN, and from some (albeit brief) conversations I've had with some of these folks. If a decade ago you told me…

> Would be curious to hear from some Googlers on their thoughts. I'm sure, internally, a lot of it must feel like piling on from the outside, but in all honestly it really feels to me like a classic case of "big company that lost its way Former Googler, opinions are my own. They haven't lost their way technologically - as you mentioned they invented the Transformer - and internally Google has long had language models…

> The reason they didn't release their LLM earlier was likely due to the serious brand risk associated with making it part of Google search. Bing/ChatGPT had no such brand risk, and released their LLMs using the "There's no such thing as bad publicity" logic. That works great as a wrecking ball, but it's not a long term product strategy.

Not sure if this is the right read considering that CHATGPT/Bing now constitute a far greater brand risk to Google than they would if Google they had gotten out ahead on LLMs. What may have seemed like prudent caution to protect a brand has now shown to be much closer to incumbent complacency.

Suppose it is the classic story of big companies that get disrupted anywhere.

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

Well, Microsoft forced me to use Edge to open Bing chat, so I did that and asked it "how can you use bing chat on chrome?". It pointed me to a chrome extension that allows that. See, it's useful.
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