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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by majormajor »

dataflow wrote: post #325
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

GamePass was a pretty big gamechanger. Looks like 2017. VSCode made a pretty big splash in its market too, from 2015. So not Google Search or Maps level, but solid, disruptive offerings that they've maintained in the last decade.

I'm struggling to even come up with any Google products in the post-Android timeframe that I use as much as those two...

And regardless, MS doesn't need to switch gears to compete with this even if you discount those. They're running out in the lead already. Question is if Google can still run.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by rvnx »

Aunche wrote: post #305
faeriechangling wrote: post #239

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Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

I don't think Sundar is bad per se. Rather, he is doing what most Googlers are doing which is resting and vesting off of that sweet ad money. It's unlikely that GPT is as monetizable as ads, so it's possible that he still loses even if he wins the AI race. As for a better alternative I think that the Susan Wojcicki, the former CEO of YouTube, is highly underated. She made a lot of unpopular decisions for the public,…

Susan is really really great and she also dodged other issues (like the elections influence one), though lately (it's quite recent) she has resigned and doesn't want to have an active role anymore as far as I know.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by [deleted] »

dataflow wrote: post #325
this_user wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by dataflow »

ethbr0 wrote: post #359
dataflow wrote: post #325

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> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

Xbox (2001), Kinect (2010), Surface (2015), PowerBI (2015), HoloLens (2016) I'll ignore the Window Phone era. ;)

So, 9 years ago at best? And that's being quite generous since I wouldn't exactly say HoloLens transformed anyone's life. In fact I don't believe I've even heard the word HoloLens even uttered by anyone in real life...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by tester756 »

dataflow wrote: post #325
this_user wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

VS Code? Teams?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by bobsil1 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #278
bobsil1 wrote: post #269

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Has no CS background, studied material sci → consulting → Google PM https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai

> no CS background Now do Tim Cook.

Also lagging in ML, good point

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by super256 »

faeriechangling wrote: post #239
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

> Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though?

I don't know, but I'm really sad to see how Android is currently performing in rich countries. Not stagnating, but losing.

Here, in Germany, Android had a market share of over 70%(!). But over the last three years alone, Apple started eating Android's lunch and iOS' market share has increased from 28% to 38%, while Android's has decreased by the same amount (from 69% to 60%) [1].

Personally, I'd say that at least Google's Android department is currently headless and has no idea what the users want.

Of course this has nothing to do with revenue of YT Premium, GCP and whatever else Google is offering, but it's making me sad regardless.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/693829/market-share-mobi...

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by itsmartapuntocm »

Aunche wrote: post #357
o8o8o8o wrote: post #295

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I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

Stadia is a perfect example of Google's risk aversion. Microsoft invested billions on the XBox from the start, and spent over a billion dollars just to buy Minecraft, but Stadia didn't make an effort to secure even a single AAA exclusive. The same goes for YouTube exclusives. Netflix and Amazon spent hundreds of millions on flops like Marco Polo and Rings of Power. Meanwhile, the only notable series that came out of…

Microsoft learned the hard way that the platform doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have the games to bring people to it. It’s why they’ve spent billions left and right to acquire studios and publishers.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by freediver »

pwinnski wrote: post #362
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> and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand As long as they're not hallucinated media...

I think that the concern about LLMs making up information are absolutely valid, and a serious concern. At the same time, I think most people focusing on those concerns aren't thinking much about the alternatives, namely Google. For many people, Google results have gone from being an absolutely amazing demonstration of what could be done if one had the resources to crawl and process the entire internet to a complete w…

> Some people even pay for Kagi search, because Google is just that bad.

Small correction - from what I have heard in our community, most of our users pay for Kagi search, not becuase Google is just that bad, but because Kagi is just so good. In other words we are making the value proposition be "best search in the world", one worth paying for.

(Kagi founder here)

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by chopete3 »

It is move over google.com moment. The era of ai.com and its ilk (bing/skype) has begun -even momentarily.

If you are not using ai.com for your everyday information, you are missing out something.

The one that asks their questions in a smart way has an edge over people typing random keywords and hoping to learn.

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