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Working as a software engineer I often feels like I am living in the world of the Handmaidens Tale as a women with a functioning womb where the hole of society is organised around controlling everything I do. Hopefully LLM will change this but I do not underestimate the intellectual laziness of most "knowledge workers"

Highly paid middle class white male (statistically) compares his existence to the brutal oppression of women in a fictional book. What insight!

Their username is target fitting.

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What happens to social mobility in the post GPT world. Given that knowledge work (not just software) has been one big option for people to climb the social ladder. If the AI can reasonably do all knowledge work in future, the amount of social climbing opportunities will drastically decrease. And no, UBI will not create more opportunities for social mobility. It seems like more and more people will have to compete wit…

Lol I am from Europe and I know how to repro this in a week so not a big deal.

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> I think over time, we’ll see that what many of us really liked about building software deep down wasn’t coding, but intricately imagining the things computers could do for us and then getting them to do it. Spot on. It's a good time for existential reflection: Who would you have been hundreds or thousands of years ago? Who will you be now that technology is radically changing again? There will always be interesting…

I often think of legal professionals and law makers as "the programmers of people". I think I would have become a lawyer 100 years ago.

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> but notice how the EU is not any poorer than the USA. EU is significantly poorer than the US. Lots of different ways to measure it, but it’s a factor of roughly 1.5-2x in purchasing power parity.

It’s just accounting differences. The life in Europe is not any different. If the junior developers don’t make 100K and the visit to a doctor doesn’t cost 10K the overall economic activity appears to be lower but it’s not.

is not accounting differences at all: - Europeans (and I am one) live in tiny housing even compared to people in NYC. - we have less cars (you can claim it's due to public transport but if public transport is not available most people would not afford cars regardless. - overall less leisure expenditures and less disposable income.

That 10k doctor is a myth and certainly not something the 100k developer will have to pay. That's covered by his company. Healthcare is an issue in US when you're at the bottom of the food chain.

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> Is it "just" that someone who drinks and parties all the time "owns" the same amount as someone who works and saves for 20 years? If AI is doing all the work, what does it matter anymore?

We are no where near that. We don't even yet have AIs that can write better code than random college student googling.

We will need to crack fusion (or some other way of creating "free" electricity) and then 3D printers that can convert energy into matter and then slap AGI on top of it and we are in post scarcity society where robots can do everything.

If you miss any one of thous things you won't get there.

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Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

Huh. 2 days ago I built 3 significant internal tools for my company that automated important workflows for our growth, in a language that I rarely use (js), in 4 hours. Something we have been putting off for months because we figured it would take a week or two. It was an exhilarating experience.

Yesterday I got a complex data structure out of it in 1h that we'd been talking about but not implementing because it would have taken a couple of days to get right.

In all cases it made mistakes and I had to rely on my experience as an engineer to ask the right questions and fix things. But god damn it made me insanely more productive.

Don't shrug this off and go back to work. You'll get left behind, and may not have a work to go back to.

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I am positive there are plenty of undergrads who are probably going to try to get chatgpt to write up an entire app they can sell so they don't have to try and find a job in a recession. I imagine you could get this entire process automated from the prompts to the app store submissions, maybe you could have 10,000 junk apps each giving you maybe a dollar a month in return before long, that would be a good take for pa…

Even if you created 10 junk apps a day, it would still take you 3 years to create 10,000 junk apps. And each one requires more than $1 to list on the app store.

How about the play store? Plus once you have the pipeline set up the only limit for your rate of deployment is how much compute you throw at it, which is cheap these days.

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One thing I don't understand well is how much computation using GPT-4 takes. Some of these discussion remind me of Bitcoin as a global payments processor: sure, it can work, but it's doing a tremendous amount of computation and the maximum rate of transactions it can sustain is pretty low.

I know it used a huge amount of energy / GPU cycles / time to train, but now that the weights are computed, what's involved in running it? I know the model is huge and can't be run on an ordinary developer's machine, but I believe requests to it can be batched, and so I don't really know what the amortized cost is. Right now, this is all hidden behind OpenAI and its credits; is it running at a loss right now? How sustainable is using GPT-4 and beyond, as a day-to-day part of professional life?

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What happens to social mobility in the post GPT world. Given that knowledge work (not just software) has been one big option for people to climb the social ladder. If the AI can reasonably do all knowledge work in future, the amount of social climbing opportunities will drastically decrease. And no, UBI will not create more opportunities for social mobility. It seems like more and more people will have to compete wit…

Ironically administration overhead in many industries, particularly healthcare and education, has been growing over the past several decades despite increasing technology adoption. This is exactly the opposite of what you would expect given the increased efficiencies that come from adopting computer systems and automation. I see AI as a continuation of this trend and I don’t expect it to put people out of work, burea…

The other thing is that we'd need insane levels of trust in the AI to have it doing all these jobs 100%.

Like, I could technically have a newbie running commands on a production router for a script that I wrote out...but even if I let them do that there's no way I wouldn't at least supervise. I don't think most companies are even remotely comfortable with the idea of having an AI system running code on their systems no matter how smart it is.

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What happens to social mobility in the post GPT world. Given that knowledge work (not just software) has been one big option for people to climb the social ladder. If the AI can reasonably do all knowledge work in future, the amount of social climbing opportunities will drastically decrease. And no, UBI will not create more opportunities for social mobility. It seems like more and more people will have to compete wit…

Hot take: we will get better software.

People who are in tech just to "climb social ladder" i.e. only for the pay check are going to be pushed out by LLMs and people who are actually passionate about tech will remain. This will cause less and less shitty code to be written (of course for next few years even more bloated shit code will be written with ChatGPT and Copilot by noobs who have no idea what they are doing)

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