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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by throw10920 »

tines wrote: post #40
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

> I just performed that search in Google

It's been publicly known that Google has been bubbling search results for years now, and that one individual's search results have no relation to another's.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by eindiran »

at_a_remove wrote: post #61
LeoPanthera wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's unfair to altavista. Altavista never got evil, they just became irrelevant. (And even when they were irrelevant, they still had a search syntax that I miss. You could search for things like term_a NEAR term_b.)

Amen. Buried, unknown to most, Google used to have a similar AROUND(n) syntax. No idea if it still is respected. Google seems to have refocused around returning any result out of a set of popular links rather than deep dives. It feels like I must quote every term I enter now.

It seems like none of the older powerful Google search syntax works for me anymore.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by partiallypro »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

It is wild how most of modern SEO and "SEO+" involves just outright creating spam. Spamming url strings (keyword stuffing essentially) for location specific ranking is a new one I've noticed being touted.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by throw10920 »

sufficer wrote: post #79
gambiting wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not for me. That website isn't anywhere on the first page of results.

Maybe you got some Spyware or something interfering with Google queries

Um, no. Google "bubbles" their search results, meaning that they customize them based on their profile of you. This is not new - it's been implemented and known publicly for years.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Invictus0 »

detaro wrote: post #41
Invictus0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, and maybe we're just getting old. There are still people on HN complaining about Google removing the OR and AND modifiers, meanwhile the younger generations write queries like "where should I eat breakfast today"

Those aren't really exclusive. Different problems, different query types. (I wouldn't quite do the second example like that, but "where can I get food here" is fundamentally different problem than "I hope there is somewhere out there a bootleg copy of the datasheet for this very weird part and no I don't mean any of these 5 easily-confused other things", which is when the lack/ignoring of detailed modifiers drives yo…

I'm just trying to point out that that query would have returned nothing much at all back in the age of keyword-lookup search.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by gambiting »

sufficer wrote: post #79
gambiting wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not for me. That website isn't anywhere on the first page of results.

Maybe you got some Spyware or something interfering with Google queries

Or maybe google tailors what it shows to what it thinks I want to see based on my user profile :P

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by lordnacho »

wslh wrote: post #72
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Please Sergey and Larry return and apply your original paper! Just update it a bit.

Surely that's not going to work with all the data (aka website content) having changed markedly over the years, with SEO being a major factor?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ThePhysicist »

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to do with AI-generated content becoming more ubiquitous.

I have to say I really dislike all these developer-focused publications, with a few notable exceptions. Most of them just write very shallow articles copied almost 1:1 from the official docs, and don't even take care to update their content when stuff changes. I just don't get why Google wouldn't hand-curate search results like for the Golang standard library or any popular framework and make sure the official docs land on top of the list.

So, long story short that's definitely an area where ChatGPT will replace Google, if it stays as affordable as it is. Today I e.g. asked it about a decorator-style problem I had in Golang and if there was a solution that could do away with using the "reflect" package and would instead use generics, and sure enough it came up with something that worked brilliantly, tailored exactly to my use case. For me, that is the future of learning about software code (and many other things as well). For publishers probably not so great as people might not go to their sites at all anymore, so I expect a strong upwards trend in anti-automation measures.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by patwolf »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

I have this problem a lot when searching for TypeScript. Most of the results end up being plain javascript with absolutely no mention of TypeScript.

Now I use ChatGPT for almost all my programming questions. Good riddance Google.

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