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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by gambiting »

ddalex wrote: post #58
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Are you for real ? I mean, pick better examples if you want to poke something, since: Search for "micropython html parser" gets you https://pypi.org/project/micropython-html.parser/ as the first result with the quote: "This is a module ported from CPython standard library to be compatible with MicroPython interpreter."

Not for me. That website isn't anywhere on the first page of results.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by wslh »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Please Sergey and Larry return and apply your original paper! Just update it a bit.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by realusername »

That was bound to happen at some point, AI or not. Google search quality has been declining more and more every year, to the point that I'm almost sure that you could build a better and smaller index for much cheaper with a curated domain list.

AI brought down the price to compete from billions to a few millions, the monopoly is being threatened.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by lumb63 »

culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

I agree with your sentiment exactly. But your comment made me think about this an interesting way that I hadn’t thought about before, that made me better understand why I am “anti-GPT search”.

All the same things that the model makes an effort to “understand” are things that can contribute to your own understanding. When it “understands”, you do not. You get the summary and miss out on a great amount of nuance that can come with learning and finding the right answer for yourself.

For instance, it is very common that in the search for why X is happening in my code, I will find tons of information that don’t answer my question but help me form an understanding of why it is happening, how the system is working, etc.

This is especially visible in science. Many papers outright conflict with each other. Some have better or worse methodologies than others. Some have better analyses. Some state outright falsehoods without citation or misinterpret citations. Having a GPT “understand” this to produce understanding in humans is going to end very badly. It takes several hours for a human (in my experience) to understand even a single academic paper on its own.

I suppose the appropriate cliche is “it’s the journey, not the destination”.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by dividedbyzero »

Animats wrote: post #11

Users have to sign in with a Microsoft account to use this. Is that the future? You have to sign up to search? It takes more resources per query to run AI-based search than a search engine. Everybody offering ChatGPT type systems is either pay per view or heavily throttled. We may be in the last days of free search as the dominant product.

I think it's far too early to say where this is going. If you could make this into an extremely skilled targetable manipulator/advocate for any kind of viewpoint, worldview, marketing strategy, on a per-user and day basis, one that subtly pushes the user in a given direction, I'm sure that would be lucrative enough to cover any amount of free/"free" views/prompts. Also, if this takes off in earnest, improving hardware acceleration will probably bring down costs as well.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by HeavyFeather »

asciimov wrote: post #64

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Over my dead body.

You realize that Google Search still brings in mountains of cash, right? Search generates 57% of Alphabet’s total revenue. [1]

We’re extremely far from that point.

  [1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-advertising-business-breakdown-.html

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by jeffbee »

johnfn wrote: post #6
Aperocky wrote: post #2

15.8% boost vs "near 1%" decline. News title at its finest, the "near 1%" must not make it to the title for maximum effect.

I imagine 1% of Google is well more than 15.8% of Bing :)

Yeah, 0.03*1.16 is still 3% to a close approximation.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by sufficer »

gambiting wrote: post #71
ddalex wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you for real ? I mean, pick better examples if you want to poke something, since: Search for "micropython html parser" gets you https://pypi.org/project/micropython-html.parser/ as the first result with the quote: "This is a module ported from CPython standard library to be compatible with MicroPython interpreter."

Not for me. That website isn't anywhere on the first page of results.

Maybe you got some Spyware or something interfering with Google queries
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