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Post by fendy3002 »

visarga wrote: post #270
fendy3002 wrote: post #268

I'm not doubting that someday AI will able to do better than junior devs, even to lower-level of senior devs. But I doubt they'll able to replace those of higher level seniors, at least not in tens of years. Then I predict we'll get more business analysts than programmers, since managements will still need people to translate their needs to AI.

> Then I predict we'll get more business analysts than programmers Why would analysts be harder to replace than devs? The question is - how will competition influence the job market? if everyone has AI, everyone has the same powers. So how do you differentiate yourself? You put more humans in the loop, like "human plugins". You need humans to extract the most from AI.

Because managements aren't good at defining / understanding specifications, constraints and use cases. And I believe we don't want AI that can put constraints without our consent, so a middleman will still be required.

The job market will still almost be the same, that capital and networks will net you businesses.

The problem is how to regulate duplication, because IMO with power of AI patents are basically almost useless.

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Post by bloppe »

I love how all these AI researchers who write small code snippets in jupyter notebooks all day think LLM's are the end of software. Not disparaging AI research; it clearly takes a lot of expertise and work to do it well. But that's not software development.

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Post by circuit10 »

bmitc wrote: post #167
angarg12 wrote: post #158

Last week I used ChatGPT for the first time for a real world task at work. It was a self-contained lambda function to perform some admin tasks, so it seemed like an ideal fit. Although the experience was good, it's far from the end of programmers. This was my experience: * Although ChatGPT is pretty good at generating code, it kept making simple mistakes such as calling non-existing APIs or introducing bugs. Some of…

You made me think: it feels like ChatGPT is just a less accurate StackOverflow answer generator. The culture of needing to use StackOverflow is not a good one, so I'm not sure why people are considering ChatGPT to be.

"The culture of needing to use StackOverflow is not a good one"

Not being able to write code without it might be bad but it's a valuable resource and you should use it when it's available to you (for both)

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Post by aqme28 »

tomp wrote: post #192
anonyfox wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Focussing on the climbing is the core problem I think. Why even do this? We collectlively should own the machines and guarantee just wealth distribution, so that its impossible for a few to have much more than than others. Then every increase in machine work is a great thing for everyone, instead of increasing competition between fewer and fewer people. Europe in itself is (together) the single biggest market/economy…

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> Is it "just" that someone who drinks and parties all the time "owns" the same amount as someone who works and saves for 20 years?

If AI is doing all the work, what does it matter anymore?

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Post by booleandilemma »

DethNinja wrote: post #14

I don’t get the overall doom and gloom towards LLMs on the software field. If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. In my opinion this technology will be as democratising as the YouTube’s early days. Instead of worrying, learn to work with it. It wil…

First they came for the junior devs, and I did not speak out because I was not a junior dev... :P

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Post by arbuge »

> OpenAI made the extraordinary and IMO under-discussed decision to use an open API specification format, where every API provider hosts a text file on their website saying how to use their API. This means even this plugin ecosystem isn’t a walled garden that only the first mover controls. I don’t fully understand why they went this way, but I’m grateful they did.

It's a good point and some have already got this to work:

https://twitter.com/vaibhavk97/status/1639281937545150465

Given that there's no technical obstacles to drop-in compatibility here, I wonder if we'll soon start seeing exclusivity requirements and such.

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Post by sharemywin »

devjab wrote: post #265
idopmstuff wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a PM who is relatively technical, but I haven't written more than a few lines of code (stuff like minor modifications to my Shopify site) in a decade. I saw a bunch of people talking about how GPT helped them code stuff on Twitter, so I thought I'd give it a try. Right now I'm building a sort of simple, mock version of the type of software that integrates with my company's APIs. I've successfully managed to creat…

One of the reasons I'm not blown away is that everything we've tasked it to do has resulted in rather terrible answers. A lot of them outright didn't work. When they did, the way GPT created our solutions were often in a way that wouldn't work well over time. Unfortunately you wouldn't necessarily know that unless you really know your tools. In many ways, this isn't too different from people performing brute-force pr…

Are people actually allowing it to perform actual software development?

State your assumptions.

Read and summarize the pervious documents

generate a data flow diagram.

generate a data model.

Get it to inquire about use cases and requirements

generate tests for these uses cases and requirements.

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Post by dwaltrip »

nunez wrote: post #92
DethNinja wrote: post #14

I don’t get the overall doom and gloom towards LLMs on the software field. If you are a software engineer, this will output your productivity ten fold on the upcoming years. Now you don’t need to hire junior devs and can just build the product of your dreams with very limited capital. In my opinion this technology will be as democratising as the YouTube’s early days. Instead of worrying, learn to work with it. It wil…

Yeah, and look at where YouTube is now. Millions of creators grinding for pennies while the lucky ones that got in early and made it rake in the profits. I think success in tech is going to become extremely pyramidal in the coming years. This is a huge shame, as this was one of the only fields out there where you could make a really good living without going to the "right" school for years and years and years.

Entertainment has winner-take-all / power-law dynamics due to cultural cohesion and limits on human attention (I want to watch what other people, and my time is limited), which is why a relatively small number of them make a good living.

Software development, as an employment opportunity, does not have these same dynamics.

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Post by KrugerDunnings »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #147
KrugerDunnings wrote: post #77

Working as a software engineer I often feels like I am living in the world of the Handmaidens Tale as a women with a functioning womb where the hole of society is organised around controlling everything I do. Hopefully LLM will change this but I do not underestimate the intellectual laziness of most "knowledge workers"

Highly paid middle class white male (statistically) compares his existence to the brutal oppression of women in a fictional book. What insight!

You know very little about my life and I'd like to keep it this way. One would think that I live in a pure sellers market, but this is not true because of dynamics similar to that in the show. The comparison is clearly hyperbole evident by the use of an absurt fictional situation and not meant to express an equality relationship but one of equivalence (learn category theory bitch). It is very insightful, if you ask me, to recognise one's own predicament by empathising with the struggles of a fictional character, and this is what at the end of the day literary critique is all about. That there might be something hard about my life because of organised socially accepted structural abuse is all the more made evident by the briga-dooning and gasslighting I receive for dealing with my own issues in jest. I guess I must be one of the lucky girls.

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Post by booleandilemma »

Inviz wrote: post #168
throwawayai2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens when no junior devs are hired for 5 years? Who works their way up to replace the seniors who are leaving?

this is my thinking too. Who's going to learn coding if all basic needs are served buy the chatbot? What would be the incentive to put in the work?

I feel the same about future artists, sadly. If a computer can paint, then maybe no one is going to bother to learn how to paint.
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