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Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by kelnos »

kube-system wrote: post #104
duxup wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that search result would support your statement.

Shootings in my local news basically fall into two categories, drug related disputes on the bad side of town, or people shooting at police when they show up. This returns a decent number of relevant and recent results: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+shot+serving+warrant&iar=news&ia=...

That only tells us about when it does happen. We also need to know how many times it doesn't happen. If we see 250 suspects per year shooting at cops when served a warrant, but 50,000 surrendering relatively peacefully, then I don't know that we have a big problem.

Sure, 250 per year might support the statement "Almost every day in the US you see someone who decides to go out with guns blazing rather than go back", but that doesn't mean it's common.

Put another way, 250 people doing this per year could be considered "almost every day", but I'm not sure 250 people in a country of more than 350M doing something exceedingly, dangerously irrational is cause for concern, or even more than a shrug.

Also: your search result page doesn't say what you think it does. I clicked through a few of them, and many of them just talk about warrants in general (even search warrants, not arrest warrants) where no shooting occurred at all. On one of them I noticed that the word "shot" appeared in the "related stories" links at the bottom, in a case that had nothing to do with an arrest warrant or police.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by notch898a »

kelnos wrote: post #212
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not evidence he was convicted of anything but non-violent internet crime I'm not sure where one is supposed to find sympathy for someone convicted of a crime, and looking likely to have attempted violent crimes, having their sentence strengthened on the latter's basis (within the confines of the primary sentence's guidelines). Should Al Capone have been treated like a usual tax dodger? Of course not. He's a high ri…

That seems to be a pretty weird view to me. If you're convicted of crime X, you should be sentenced base on crime X, not on what other things everyone believes you actually did, but for which sufficient evidence can't be found to convict. You seem to be advocating for a legal system where it's fine to punish people for things they haven't actually been convicted of doing. Regardless of what we may think of Al Capone,…

The genius of many conspiracy charges is the crime is basically "did bad stuff" where "bad stuff" is anything from drug distribution to murder.

So whether ross killed or distributed the drugs, he was guilty of X.

The genius of the conspiracy charge is the jury can be convinced of drug distribution but not the murder. And the judge could be convinced it was murder and not distribution. But they both fall under "bad stuff" so the judge isn't even wrong when they sentence him for "bad stuff" as murder is "bad stuff."

The fact that the elements of bad stuff for the judge is different than elements of bad stuff for the jury is almost an after thought. And hey, you can't say he didn't do bad stuff.

Taken this to the extreme, I wonder if someday they will have a crime that is just called "felony." The jury just has to be convinced you smoked a left handed cigarette, at which point obviously you're guilty of "felony." Then the judge can promptly forget about the cigarette and decide on preponderance of the evidence just what elemenst of "felony" you comitted and sentence that based on what she thinks is more likely than not.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by imp0cat »

ardit33 wrote: post #89

Wrong country to hide. Montenegro is a Nato member, and a US ally, and will do whatever the US say. Dritan Abazovic (the prime minister) is himself half Albanian, half Montenegrin, and he is very pro western. You can't hide in pro US countries. He should have maybe taken a train to Serbia (not a US ally), then a plane to Russia and hide there. Ps. For some reason criminals think small countries are safe, but capturin…

Russia isn't one of the best countries to hide right now. It might have been tolerable cca a year ago, before the war started.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by [deleted] »

noloblo wrote: post #150
CoBE10 wrote: post #139

Do those people think that Montenegro won't give them to US? I've seen a few mentions of Montenegro in some American TV shows and they always say "The X has escaped to Montenegro...", "Montenegro doesn't have extradition treaty with US...". That's not true, and it was never true. Montenegro just can't sue them in Montenegrin court, because of the treaty that Montenegro can sue American citizens in American courts.

was do kwon arrested in montenegro for the interpol/south korean red notice or the united states sec case?

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Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by skissane »

dragonwriter wrote: post #205
arcticbull wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.

Usually, in a system with both, the Prime Minister is head of government (which is more powerful) and the President is head of state which typically has ceremonial precedence but less practical power. There's considerable variations, though, and some starkly exceptional Presidential systems that have an official called a Prime Minister (having both is more typical of a parliamentary republic).

Contemporary republics exist in three main forms:

1. Presidential republics - President is both head of state and head of government. No Prime Minister. Examples: US, most Latin American countries

2. Parliamentary republics - President is head of state, Prime Minister is head of government. President is mostly a symbolic figurehead with little real power; if they have any real power at all, it is generally only exercisable in times of constitutional crisis. Examples: Ireland, Malta, Germany, Austria, Israel

3. Semi-presidential republics. President is head of state, Prime Minister is head of government. Both have real substantive powers. Often, the PM is in charge of domestic policy, the President is in charge of military and foreign affairs. Examples: France, Russia, Finland (traditionally at least, it has been becoming more parliamentary)

Montenegro is officially considered parliamentary not semipresidential. However, the boundary between the two is not always clearcut - there is a near infinity of ways to divide power between a President and PM, and some parliamentary republics have much more powerful presidents than others

There are also oddball republics which don’t fit into any of those categories, like Switzerland (collective head of state) or San Marino (two equal heads of state at the same time)

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Post by steveBK123 »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #214
steveBK123 wrote: post #183

What is the point of having a zillion magic internet moneys if you can't get yourself off the financial grid and living in a non-extradition country? Cmon. What a bunch of jokers. I think it's a hugely bearish case for crypto that none of the crypto guys have been able to use it to avoid authorities for more than a few weeks/months. That's literally one of its alleged use cases. "The government can't control it". SBF…

> That's literally one of its alleged use cases. "The government can't control it". > > SBF, Do Kwon, the Bitmex guys, how's that worked out for everyone? Well the government still, so far, cannot make it so that there's more than 21 million Bitcoins. So in that sense they cannot control Bitcoin. Those you mentioned and the likes of Justin Sun (now charged for fraud), Mark Karpeles (from MtGox fame, who server prison…

If you do crime with it you go to jail.

If you make profit in it you pay tax.

So isn’t this just regular money with a bunch of extra steps?

Sure the government can’t print bitcoin anymore than you or I can but.. the no devaluation angle is kind of meh in the face of its volatility and number of high profile frauds. No one should be sitting with a million dollars in the bank. Dollar denominated assets are a better inflation hedge than BTC.

Some basket of bonds ETFs whatever.

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Post by SECProto »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #204
SECProto wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator Being a dictator means [1] to have absolute power. There are dictators that are friendly with the west and others that are not so much. Use of the term is orthogonal to whether or not a given country is an ally (other than that word choice can have ramifications) Montenegro is…

ChatGPT? Is that you?

Haha glad my calling out of nonsense is apparently indistinguishable from a large language model. Does chatgpt do citations like that?

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by steveBK123 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #226
TacticalCoder wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's literally one of its alleged use cases. "The government can't control it". > > SBF, Do Kwon, the Bitmex guys, how's that worked out for everyone? Well the government still, so far, cannot make it so that there's more than 21 million Bitcoins. So in that sense they cannot control Bitcoin. Those you mentioned and the likes of Justin Sun (now charged for fraud), Mark Karpeles (from MtGox fame, who server prison…

If you do crime with it you go to jail. If you make profit in it you pay tax. So isn’t this just regular money with a bunch of extra steps? Sure the government can’t print bitcoin anymore than you or I can but.. the no devaluation angle is kind of meh in the face of its volatility and number of high profile frauds. No one should be sitting with a million dollars in the bank. Dollar denominated assets are a better inf…

As we saw from the SVB weekend of tweets, none of the VCs who were going to reinvent the banking system with crypto actually understood how the existing one works, so...

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Post by throwawaylinux »

steveBK123 wrote: post #183

What is the point of having a zillion magic internet moneys if you can't get yourself off the financial grid and living in a non-extradition country? Cmon. What a bunch of jokers. I think it's a hugely bearish case for crypto that none of the crypto guys have been able to use it to avoid authorities for more than a few weeks/months. That's literally one of its alleged use cases. "The government can't control it". SBF…

You don't think the crypto scammers believed the currency somehow made them immune to government force? That's even more delusional than the crypto bros themselves, how on earth is that "bearish for crypto"??

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Post by mrcode007 »

xapata wrote: post #119
mrcode007 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said google. Not bing ;-P Plenty of shootings involving felons on parole in the news.

News articles are biased towards likelihood of clicks.

That doesn’t make them any less true? I think you’re confusing selection bias with the fact that something happened.

Say a news outlet says “X happened and it’s bad”. Another news outlet says “X happened and it’s good.” Both have their respective slant. Fine. But BOTH say X happened. Stuff that’s not newsworthy doesn’t go into news. You can’t just dismiss facts with prejudice as in “Don’t look up”.

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