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Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by tlogan »

medo-bear wrote: post #137
ezekiel68 wrote: post #128

What is this world coming to when Crypto renegades can no longer flee to Montenegro using falsified documents? This must somehow be seen as yet another nail in the coffin of Big centralized fiat currency. /s

Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator

But real power is under Zdravko Krivokapić (prime minister). And Zdravo (pro Serbian) does like Mile (pro Montenegro).

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by steveBK123 »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #184
steveBK123 wrote: post #183

What is the point of having a zillion magic internet moneys if you can't get yourself off the financial grid and living in a non-extradition country? Cmon. What a bunch of jokers. I think it's a hugely bearish case for crypto that none of the crypto guys have been able to use it to avoid authorities for more than a few weeks/months. That's literally one of its alleged use cases. "The government can't control it". SBF…

The safemoon guys are free, Logan Paul remains free, many smalltime pump and dumpers remain free. Though this is a product of lax enforcement rather than crypto itself

Yes its really just lax enforcement at this point. When it sporadically turns on, they net a bunch of these guys again, in waves.

The US has a very expansive view of jurisdiction when it comes to financial dealings with Americans, dealings with American companies, dealings within the US, transacting in US dollars or US dollar derivatives. Crypto largely ends up triggering 1 or more of these.

Nonetheless it does seem to be failing at its job of being immune from governments if you are still going to end up in jail / having to pay billon dollar settlements in "fiat" to avoid jail, etc.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by kelnos »

SECProto wrote: post #178
medo-bear wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator

> despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator Being a dictator means [1] to have absolute power. There are dictators that are friendly with the west and others that are not so much. Use of the term is orthogonal to whether or not a given country is an ally (other than that word choice can have ramifications) Montenegro is…

The point that the parent was making was that "dictator" has a very negative connotation, and the cynical take is that if the West likes you, they wouldn't call you something negative, even when that's what you are. So he's wink "not a dictator" wink.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

SECProto wrote: post #178
medo-bear wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator

> despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator Being a dictator means [1] to have absolute power. There are dictators that are friendly with the west and others that are not so much. Use of the term is orthogonal to whether or not a given country is an ally (other than that word choice can have ramifications) Montenegro is…

ChatGPT? Is that you?

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by dragonwriter »

arcticbull wrote: post #188
nsajko wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87

I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.

Usually, in a system with both, the Prime Minister is head of government (which is more powerful) and the President is head of state which typically has ceremonial precedence but less practical power.

There's considerable variations, though, and some starkly exceptional Presidential systems that have an official called a Prime Minister (having both is more typical of a parliamentary republic).

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by GauntletWizard »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #154
noloblo wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

was do kwon arrested in montenegro for the interpol/south korean red notice or the united states sec case?

> arrested in montenegro for the interpol/south korean red notice or the united states sec case The SEC is a civil agency. It can't arrest people.

No, but it can file cases with the courts, and courts can issue arrest warrants for contempt and failure to appear for a summons.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by arcticbull »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #158
arcticbull wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, I've dug through the history. There's some really good stuff in the early days, the pirateat40 / Trendon Shavers scam is a classic. I wasn't there for it, of course, before my time. Learning about the history of the space is super fun though, especially when it has the collective memory of a goldfish :)

> especially when it has the collective memory of a goldfish Any book or podcast recommendations for a long-view historical surmisement?

There's always Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain :)

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by dragonwriter »

touisteur wrote: post #191
arcticbull wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.

Only in France? In Germany, Poland, Portugal (for example) power is mostly concentrated in PM role.

Russia post-2000 is another example, though in that case it is probably more accurate to say power is mostly concentrated in Putin whether he is PM or President, not a particular office.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by arcticbull »

tasuki wrote: post #200
arcticbull wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep they're not the same, but usually the head of government is the head of state in presidential systems. [edit] In fact... "President is a common title for the head of state in most republics. The president of a nation is, generally speaking, the head of the government and the fundamental leader of the country or the ceremonial head of state." [1] Anyways interesting stuff. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside…

Yes, in presidential systems, sure. But who was talking about those here? Montenegro is a parliamentary republic, and vast majority of Europe is either a parliamentary republic or a constitutional monarchy [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_system#/media/Fil...

I didn’t say anyone was wrong, it was just an observation. Either way the only delta is that I would consider the head of state more important/powerful than the head of government who is more active. Just a perspective thing.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by kelnos »

Analemma_ wrote: post #144
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that actually happened, why didn't they prosecute him for it?

I think the people constantly repeating this line don't understand how prosecutions actually work. Since all crimes have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to get a conviction, and some take more work/paper trail to do this than others, if someone is up on a bunch of charges, prosecutors will order them by easiest-to-hardest to prove, and then if the easiest ones are sufficient to put the person away for life, th…

But that's exactly the point: Ulbricht was not convicted of a violent crime (regardless of what people here believe or don't believe he actually did), and yet he was sentenced as if he had been.

That is literally the only point the ancestor poster was making: that if you have the means to run, it might not be so cushy a plan to turn yourself in for a non-violent crime, if you're assuming you'll get a sentence of less than 10 years at a reasonably safe low-security prison.

And in this particular case, the interesting point is: even if the prosecution didn't believe they could get a conviction for possible murder-for-hire charges, they somehow still got the desired final outcome: a sentence seemingly harsher than what would fit the crime he actually was convicted of.

(Then again, if your "only" crimes are non-violent/white-collar, maybe it is safe to assume you'll get a cushy prison sentence.)

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