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Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Scoundreller wrote: post #130
janmo wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just hike your way around the border

Problem is leaving at the airport, if they check and see your entry isn’t registered anywhere. Still could work if you plan on staying forever, hiking out, or flying private because only normies can do bad things and need to have their movements subject to scrutiny.

> flying private because only normies can do bad things and need to have their movements subject to scrutiny

You still go through customs when flying private.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by notch898a »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #179
notch898a wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should Al Capone have been treated like a usual tax dodger? Of course. Al Capone being cited so often is precisely why I believe he should have been treated like a usual tax dodger for the tax crimes and treated like a murderer for any murder convictions. I would much rather Al Capone go free than short-circuit justice in this way.

> short-circuit justice in this way I'm failing to see the short circuiting. Tax dodging sentencing guidelines have a range. Capone was sentenced within that range. Same as Ulbricht. We don't re-hear a trial in front of a jury every time someone is sentenced because the jury has already rendered the verdict. Sentencing is a complicated subject which balances not only justice, but also the safety of the prisoner and t…

Do you truly see nothing wrong with creating a generic conspiracy charge, showing beyond a reasonable doubt that some element of that conspiracy was true, and then saying "sentence him for any element the judge finds true by preponderance of the evidence, no matter if that was the element(s) on which the jury convicted him."

I can't say I'm thrilled that the standard is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, unless we find you guilty of some other element, in which case murder-for-hire magically becomes preponderance of evidence. I will say the justice system and society agrees with you, so I acknowledge this is one of those times I just have to sit here with a profound sadness about something over which I have little control.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by steveBK123 »

What is the point of having a zillion magic internet moneys if you can't get yourself off the financial grid and living in a non-extradition country?

Cmon. What a bunch of jokers.

I think it's a hugely bearish case for crypto that none of the crypto guys have been able to use it to avoid authorities for more than a few weeks/months.

That's literally one of its alleged use cases. "The government can't control it".

SBF, Do Kwon, the Bitmex guys, how's that worked out for everyone?

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by cuteboy19 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #183

What is the point of having a zillion magic internet moneys if you can't get yourself off the financial grid and living in a non-extradition country? Cmon. What a bunch of jokers. I think it's a hugely bearish case for crypto that none of the crypto guys have been able to use it to avoid authorities for more than a few weeks/months. That's literally one of its alleged use cases. "The government can't control it". SBF…

The safemoon guys are free, Logan Paul remains free, many smalltime pump and dumpers remain free. Though this is a product of lax enforcement rather than crypto itself

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

notch898a wrote: post #182
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> short-circuit justice in this way I'm failing to see the short circuiting. Tax dodging sentencing guidelines have a range. Capone was sentenced within that range. Same as Ulbricht. We don't re-hear a trial in front of a jury every time someone is sentenced because the jury has already rendered the verdict. Sentencing is a complicated subject which balances not only justice, but also the safety of the prisoner and t…

Do you truly see nothing wrong with creating a generic conspiracy charge, showing beyond a reasonable doubt that some element of that conspiracy was true, and then saying "sentence him for any element the judge finds true by preponderance of the evidence, no matter if that was the element(s) on which the jury convicted him." I can't say I'm thrilled that the standard is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, unless we find…

> the standard is guilty beyond reasonable of a doubt, unless we find you guilty of some other element, in which case murder-for-hire magically becomes preponderance of evidence

You're dodging the fact that the sentence was given for the convicted crime within that crime's sentencing guidelines. Juries don't give sentences, judges do. What if not looking at additional factors do you think the judge is supposed to be doing?

If the crimes Ulbricht had been convicted of had a 10-year maximum, and the judge sentenced him to more on the basis of a preponderance of evidence, I'd see your point. But that isn't what happened.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by jonathankoren »

abudabi123 wrote: post #138
paulpauper wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

depends if they send him to the US. Then it would be way worse

He could follow ”Fat Leonard's“ path out.

Jesus that was just embarrassing. At least they recaptured him in Venezuela after a few days.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by nsajko »

medo-bear wrote: post #137
ezekiel68 wrote: post #128

What is this world coming to when Crypto renegades can no longer flee to Montenegro using falsified documents? This must somehow be seen as yet another nail in the coffin of Big centralized fiat currency. /s

Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator

His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by arcticbull »

nsajko wrote: post #187
medo-bear wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator

His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87

I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by nsajko »

activitypea wrote: post #175
medo-bear wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator

Isn't Montenegro also the youngest country in Europe? Depending on if you count Kosovo, I suppose.

The answer is that Đukanović was in charge even back when Montenegro was a constituent Republic of Yugoslavia, see the timeline here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87#Timel...

Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister

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Post by nsajko »

arcticbull wrote: post #188
nsajko wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His party didn't win the most votes in the 2020 elections, though, so he's currently only the President. The president is, like in many other European countries, not very powerful. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_%C4%90ukanovi%C4%87

I was under the impression Prime Minister is the less powerful role, and President is usually synonymous with head of state.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_government

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state

> A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state[1] in its unity and legitimacy. Depending on the country's form of government and separation of powers, the head of state may be a ceremonial figurehead or concurrently the head of government and more [...]

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