Do those people think that Montenegro won't give them to US? I've seen a few mentions of Montenegro in some American TV shows and they always say "The X has escaped to Montenegro...", "Montenegro doesn't have extradition treaty with US...". That's not true, and it was never true. Montenegro just can't sue them in Montenegrin court, because of the treaty that Montenegro can sue American citizens in American courts.
was do kwon arrested in montenegro for the interpol/south korean red notice or the united states sec case?
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Korean prisons make US prisons look like the Ritz Carlton. This may have changed since I lived there in the early 2000s, but they shave your head and make you perform hard labor for 12 hours a day, usually farming to raise most of the food that you will eat while incarcerated. In the South Korean Army, seniors beat juniors with impunity and abuse them so brazenly that US soldiers get briefings to "mind your own busin…
Have you seen a Korean prison or heard first hand accounts of people who have experienced it?
The US-Korean SOFA (status of forces agreement) was amended in the mid-2000s to segregate US military personnel in Korean prisons from the general population and:
1. Allow them to bathe at least once every five days
2. Prevent forced labor requirements from exceeding 12 hours per day
3. Provide food prepared to the standard of the US military in lieu of Korean food
4. Provide undergarments like underwear and socks to supplement their prison-issued smocks
https://www.usfk.mil/Portals/105/Documents/Publications/Regu...
Prior to this change labor often exceeded 12 hours per day, the physically larger US personnel were collapsing due to malnutrition, bathing was not permitted, nor were socks and underwear.
When I was there, pre-SOFA amendment the briefings were very detailed about the conditions under which prisoners lived as part of a "scared straight" initiative-- "Don't fuck up or you'll wish you were in Leavenworth, here is the shit, with photos, of what South Korean prisoners go through."
A British consulate guide notes the meagre diet and harsh conditions prisoners operate under.
>Meals are adequate, but very Spartan. British Nationals sometimes cannot fully adjust to the Korean diet. Funds from the prison work programme can be used to buy a small quantity of supplemental foods.
>The Korean authorities do not tolerate dissent from prisoners (e.g. assaulting or talking back to guards, or for refusing to co-operate or follow instructions). Their methods for handling dissent can be harsh, and on occasion has resulted in physical abuse. Such abuse is unacceptable, and we will take it up with the Korean authorities on your behalf if you so wish. You may also raise it with the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC).
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister
#173Wrong country to hide. Montenegro is a Nato member, and a US ally, and will do whatever the US say. Dritan Abazovic (the prime minister) is himself half Albanian, half Montenegrin, and he is very pro western. You can't hide in pro US countries. He should have maybe taken a train to Serbia (not a US ally), then a plane to Russia and hide there. Ps. For some reason criminals think small countries are safe, but capturin…
When Covid started, it was brought to Montenegro by a tourist group which went to Spain. Very soon everyone knew by name who was in that group. Even worse, when Covid spread a bit, government published names of all people who were in self-isolation. Highly unconstitutional, yet highly effective in a relativelly small comunity. With this and other strict measures Montenegro managed to be Covid free in summer 2020 - possibly the only country in Europe at a time. Of course, it quickly fell apart as soon as strict measures were lifted.
So this is why you shouldn't hide in small countries. Only way to hide is to buy your stay there and I assume it can't be cheap if you're really wanted.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
But yet not evidence he was convicted of anything but non-violent internet crime.
> not evidence he was convicted of anything but non-violent internet crime I'm not sure where one is supposed to find sympathy for someone convicted of a crime, and looking likely to have attempted violent crimes, having their sentence strengthened on the latter's basis (within the confines of the primary sentence's guidelines). Should Al Capone have been treated like a usual tax dodger? Of course not. He's a high ri…
Of course. Al Capone being cited so often is precisely why I believe he should have been treated like a usual tax dodger for the tax crimes and treated like a murderer for any murder convictions. I would much rather Al Capone go free than short-circuit justice in this way.
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#175What is this world coming to when Crypto renegades can no longer flee to Montenegro using falsified documents? This must somehow be seen as yet another nail in the coffin of Big centralized fiat currency. /s
Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator
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#176Re: Do Kwon arrested in Montenegro: Interior Minister
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator
Isn't Montenegro also the youngest country in Europe? Depending on if you count Kosovo, I suppose.
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#178What is this world coming to when Crypto renegades can no longer flee to Montenegro using falsified documents? This must somehow be seen as yet another nail in the coffin of Big centralized fiat currency. /s
Fun fact: Montenegro has the longest serving head of state in Europe, Mile Djukanovic, probably making even Lukashenko of Belorus jealous. But don't worry, despite widespread accusations and suspicions of corruption, nepotism, and even drug trafficking, he is our ally... and hence not a dictator
Being a dictator means [1] to have absolute power. There are dictators that are friendly with the west and others that are not so much. Use of the term is orthogonal to whether or not a given country is an ally (other than that word choice can have ramifications)
Montenegro is regarded by a number of rankings [2] as being a hybrid regime, i.e. somewhere in between authoritarian and democratic. The results of the 2020 election [3] match that.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_regime#Measurement
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Montenegrin_parliamentary...
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> not evidence he was convicted of anything but non-violent internet crime I'm not sure where one is supposed to find sympathy for someone convicted of a crime, and looking likely to have attempted violent crimes, having their sentence strengthened on the latter's basis (within the confines of the primary sentence's guidelines). Should Al Capone have been treated like a usual tax dodger? Of course not. He's a high ri…
Should Al Capone have been treated like a usual tax dodger? Of course. Al Capone being cited so often is precisely why I believe he should have been treated like a usual tax dodger for the tax crimes and treated like a murderer for any murder convictions. I would much rather Al Capone go free than short-circuit justice in this way.
I'm failing to see the short circuiting. Tax dodging sentencing guidelines have a range. Capone was sentenced within that range. Same as Ulbricht. We don't re-hear a trial in front of a jury every time someone is sentenced because the jury has already rendered the verdict.
Sentencing is a complicated subject which balances not only justice, but also the safety of the prisoner and their fellow prisoners.