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Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by theonlybutlet »

motohagiography wrote: post #14

The two reasons I disagree with publishing salaries and "ranges" are that a) the implicit collusion creates mean reversion that disadvantages talent, who can afford to leave and go where they are valued and b) the values behind it presume that a job is something paternalistic granted by a manager in return for supplication, and not due consideration for value offered. Together these create a race to the bottom in off…

It's the opposite of a race to the bottom. Currently the market is asymetric, the employers hold the cards as they know the going rate, employees do not. And they can artificially push down prices over the longer term. Disclosure is also a benefit for start ups and small businesses s they can actually see the cost and plan accordingly (more certainty, potentially allowing more business), they don't have the resources to interview all day or hire big HR firms who know market rates.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by blitzar »

oblio wrote: post #59

It's incredible how many people here are against transparency and a better labor market providing more information to the supplier side. Lord knows companies have probably 80% of the leverage in the job market. Tech people are doomed not by AIs, but by lack of solidarity, raw greed and lack of long term vision.

> but by lack of solidarity, raw greed

Their salary is because they are exceptional, other people are not as exceptional and are unworthy of such things.

It isn't a lack of solidarity or greed, its a lack of humility.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by cr1895 »

adrianN wrote: post #85
elric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

In the Netherlands private health insurance is obligatory but not tied to an employer, however employers can negotiate better group policy deals or compensate somehow. My last employer for example paid a bit extra for me to chose my own (was a salary line item) and my current actually pays for one directly. The basic insurance is all the same regardless of provider, but they vary on secondary benefits.

For me at least, this wouldn’t really be a deciding factor among competing job offers.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by episteme »

adrianN wrote: post #85
elric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

Relatively common in the UK for white collar workers in private companies to get private healthcare included or after paying a small pre-tax cost.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by InvOfSmallC »

adrianN wrote: post #85
elric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

Yes, most EU countries have free health services but health insurance is very common in both the Nordics and Southern Europe in my experience.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by danjac »

oblio wrote: post #59

It's incredible how many people here are against transparency and a better labor market providing more information to the supplier side. Lord knows companies have probably 80% of the leverage in the job market. Tech people are doomed not by AIs, but by lack of solidarity, raw greed and lack of long term vision.

There's a lot of "I didn't expect the leopard to eat my face" around here at the moment.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by mejutoco »

paxys wrote: post #44

I'm all for salary transparency, but I also miss the days when every tech company would have a single "Software Engineer" job posting on their board, and if you liked their vibe you'd apply for it. If they liked you in return, you were in. Everything else (your job title, seniority, salary, stock, what team and product you were actually going to work on, whether they had open headcount or not) were all just minor det…

While going through the process they can offer you one of the other jobs if you are a better fit for it.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by t0mas88 »

cr1895 wrote: post #94
adrianN wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

In the Netherlands private health insurance is obligatory but not tied to an employer, however employers can negotiate better group policy deals or compensate somehow. My last employer for example paid a bit extra for me to chose my own (was a salary line item) and my current actually pays for one directly. The basic insurance is all the same regardless of provider, but they vary on secondary benefits. For me at leas…

Indeed and the "group discount" or in Dutch collectiviteitskorting has been banned recently. So there is even less of a difference now.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by desas »

episteme wrote: post #95
adrianN wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

Relatively common in the UK for white collar workers in private companies to get private healthcare included or after paying a small pre-tax cost.

Just to clarify, health insurance is a benefit-in-kind in the UK which means you legally pay tax on it at your marginal tax rate. If you earn over about £50k you have to pay 40% of the value of the health insurance etc.
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