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Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by deserialized »

Moldoteck wrote: post #24
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #14

Fuck these prudes. It's time to stop accepting the demonization of sex by religious extremists. If we don't fight for our rights we forfeit them.

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Dogmatic and wrong but at least you said it with confidence.

This simplistic line of 'porn bad' is just the pretense for labeling anything out of line with your religion's prescribed morality as pornohrafic and therefore worthy of being expunged by violent means. This ideology never stops at videos containing nudity or sex but continues on to being directed at music, literature, women who don't cover their heads, Transgender people, and so on.

It's the exact justification currently used by conservative turbo-karens to ban books from public libraries that contain any trace if LGBTQIA+ content, histories that acknowledge the slave trade and racism, or even basic health information about periods.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by Gustomaximus »

4ggr0 wrote: post #35
Moldoteck wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Porn has its fair share of issues with human trafficking, exploitation etc. But to label all porn as not good is not correct either in my opinion. If, as an example, you find a porn account of a consentual couple who uploads videos on their own terms - why would that be bad?

Also who defines 'porn'. Is porn any photo that shows nudity, or where do you draw the line on vanilla videos vs more extreme.

You might end up with devices blocking all photos of a woman topless, or naked men, even art. Does Michelangelo's David statue get his privates covered or blocked? Or like in China where they increasing block things like picture/videos of women eating bananas as that is taken as sexual (and to be fair some steamers were knowingly doing as so).

Obviously there is reasonable ground in these discussions, but when it comes to censorship the best overall position is government should stay out as much as possible. History shows human nature, or the people attracted to powerful positions, seems to not play well in these spaces over time.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by inDigiNeous »

albertopv wrote: post #49
inDigiNeous wrote: post #20

Well, censoring porn is one of the things I would happy to be censoring. Although this leads down a steep road easily to censor other content also, yet for a long time I have wondered why is it so easy to find porn, and why is nobody doing anything about it ? Porn is probably one of the major addictive behavioural and thought changing things in this world currently. It takes under 3 seconds to find porn if you want i…

"We give 5 year olds smartphones" Well, maybe don't do it? Maybe not until they are 12yo or something like that? My feeling is many parents don't want to parent at all and so they delegate to smartphone, tablets and TVs. Parents should go back to be more...parents. We don't have an ipad exactly because otherwise my 6yo would like to play with it (her friends have one) instead of going out and play outside. In my opin…

Well, I dont do that.

But what are you going to do about the majority of people doing this ? And children looking at their phones. I've heard of tales of second graders looking at porn together while on recess, that is the world we now live in.

There should be some good defaults. I agree with you totally, it makes no sense to give under 10 year olds smart phones.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by th13row »

inDigiNeous wrote: post #20

Well, censoring porn is one of the things I would happy to be censoring. Although this leads down a steep road easily to censor other content also, yet for a long time I have wondered why is it so easy to find porn, and why is nobody doing anything about it ? Porn is probably one of the major addictive behavioural and thought changing things in this world currently. It takes under 3 seconds to find porn if you want i…

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Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by defrost »

inDigiNeous wrote: post #43
sterlind wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a woman. I watch porn. I've made porn (well, I've posted nudes online.) I definitely don't think it's twisted the way I see women (or, like, myself.) I'm pretty done with men deciding what's in my best interest though.

What about the predatory nature of the industry ? 18 year olds being hunted down to "act" in these pieces, mostly by older men who are just using these women for their own pleasure and financial benefits. Is this okay ?

Sounds like good reason to better educate young people in general about the predatory nature of others and the many way in which they can be exploited without them realising.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Moldoteck wrote: post #24
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #14

Fuck these prudes. It's time to stop accepting the demonization of sex by religious extremists. If we don't fight for our rights we forfeit them.

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Computer freedom is best. My computer is supposed to do what I tell it to do. I couldn't care less about some government's mandatory child passcodes.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by jakobnissen »

Moldoteck wrote: post #24
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #14

Fuck these prudes. It's time to stop accepting the demonization of sex by religious extremists. If we don't fight for our rights we forfeit them.

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I disagree, but even if you are right, if we accept censoring porn, we will need a bureaucratic censorship corps, and will need to distinguish porn from, for example, lover sending nudes to each other, art with nude sculptures, sex scenes in films, and so on.

And there is zero chance that a bureaucracy designed to censor the citizens will not overextend it's powers and refrain from censoring these things.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by matheusmoreira »

moi2388 wrote: post #29

The USA is so f*cking retarded. Sure, take all the drugs and pills you want. Sure, but guns. Sure, watch all the death and violence you want. But don’t you dare look at a nipple!

They somehow manage to export that prudishness to other countries too.

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by brabel »

inDigiNeous wrote: post #43
sterlind wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a woman. I watch porn. I've made porn (well, I've posted nudes online.) I definitely don't think it's twisted the way I see women (or, like, myself.) I'm pretty done with men deciding what's in my best interest though.

What about the predatory nature of the industry ? 18 year olds being hunted down to "act" in these pieces, mostly by older men who are just using these women for their own pleasure and financial benefits. Is this okay ?

How do you know how these actors get into the business? Have you watched that BBC documentary about the porn industry? If anything I came out with the impression there's a huge supply of young girls and men willing to come for auditions anywhere... have you ever been young? I don't know about you, but if I had the chance to do porn at a younger age, I would've totally done it.

I think you may be actually believing those "exploited girl f*s for acting job that doesn't exist" are actually real LOL??

Re: Anti-porn bills could force device makers to censor sexual material

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Post by kergonath »

goldenManatee wrote: post #41
Moldoteck wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Where is the line between porn and art, and how would it remain a consistently enforceable standard? Since early times, through the Greeks to now, art celebrates nudity and sometimes depicts static (because earlier civilizations had no video) representations of sex and violence mixing in order to tell a story (uhh … Persephone and Hades, much? or Zeus turning into a thousand animals to lure women then rape them). Whe…

> Where is the line between porn and art

Why would there need to be a line? Something can be porn or art, or both. There is no conflict. Anything done between two consenting adults should be completely un-controversial.

> Where do you draw the line; why draw it “there” as opposed to anywhere else; by what right is it to suppress, in the process, others’ definition of where to draw said line?

What is the point in having a line? If it’s just to decide what can be shown in public and what cannot, then I don’t see why more or less explicit nudes would be any worse than the various depictions of killings and torture we all seem to be comfortable with for some reason.

The sooner we grow up and can go past the kindergarten “OMG we can see her nipple” stage, the better.

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