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Re: Little Snitch Mini

#81
I've been beta testing Little Snitch Mini for the past 6 weeks and I have to say it's exactly what I wanted. Really happy with it, the development team should be proud of such a great product. It does a few things, and it does them very well.

However I don't love the SaaS nature of the product post-release, because tying my security posture to a credit card payment isn't something I love. Sure, I can make it so I only have to worry about it once per year - however what value does this continue to bring me beyond the current capabilities?

It seems the last iteration of Little Snitch from 4 to 5 added a CLI, some of the traffic stats we can see in Mini, but was mostly compatibility-related updates. MacOS went through some pretty major changes going to Ventura and all of the Extension-level changes which affected so many security tools, so I feel like the work there was substantial and justified the new license. For $69 (or $30 on-sale) every few years, it definitely makes me question the value the original version provides a power-user or technical user, over a monthly subscription which I'd need to monitor over the years in this new product, LSM.

Now I'm unsure what market segment the LSM product addresses. uBlock Origin seems to serve the majority of use-cases for a typical casual user, and network-level filters really don't seem relevant for the everyday user - particularly with the increasing adoption of DoT/DoH, making DNS-level filtering less useful. I originally assumed this product was for power-users who didn't need the full suite of LSM, and liked the MVP-style interface. But just for the sake of not having to worry about an on-going fee - I think I'll be hard-pressed to adopt it.

As a workaround - I'd love an option to pre-purchase 3 years up-front.

Re: Little Snitch Mini

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I think I saw that Little Snitch itself doesn't show all its own connections as far as I know EDIT: Source was old posts on alt.hackintosh saying that you have to block one specific IP to prevent the call home and another one regarding LS4 saying that you have to nullroute some some Hetzner hosts. My guess was that if you had to add some hosts to prevent LS to check its own license online, that it means that LS has i…

> Though Little Snitch itself doesn't show all its own connections as far as I know It does. You can even block the Little Snitch Software Update process if you want.

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Re: Little Snitch Mini

#83
I know that talking about the site design itself is discouraged, but that was terrible to read.

I wanted to see what was new (why is this "mini"?) but as I scrolled down I had to wait as it fetched content and slowly made it appear. Instead I closed the tab and hoped to learn that from the HN discussion page.

When I think of little snitch I think of something that makes my computing better. This page was the opposite -- off brand.

Re: Little Snitch Mini

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It's so cheap, why do you care?

Why wouldn't he care? Keeping track of all the subscriptions "forced" upon you is a huge pain in the ass these days – and seemingly getting worse. Personally, I refuse to use subscription services out of principle. I much prefer to pay once and have it off my mind.

For only $400 per decade, I will handle your Little Snitch Mini subscription.

Longer licensing agreements are also available. ;)

Re: Little Snitch Mini

#85
I've been using Little Snitch for years, and it's probably the most important software on my computer. However, I've noticed a problematic trend in modern software development: developers are using the same hostname to serve both functional and non-functional web APIs.

For example, let's say that Apple's Xcode sends harmless data to their telemetry service at telemetry.apple.test. Even though the data is anonymous, I still choose to block it because I believe in protecting my data. But then, I realize that some features of Xcode, such as CI/CD, no longer work. It turns out that Xcode is also using the same domain to host an API for their cloud CI/CD offering. (hypothetical example)

I've been trying to solve this problem by routing my network traffic through my own software and manually inspecting the traffic from time to time. I redirect non-functional HTTP requests to /dev/null and functional requests to the corresponding website. It works, but it's not a scalable solution.

So, I have a feature request for the Objective Development team. Could they please implement an option to view the raw HTTP request in the alert window, especially if the network connection is to send an HTTP request? Sometimes, it's hard to decide whether to click “Allow” or “Deny” based solely on the hostname and port.

Re: Little Snitch Mini

#87

I bought Little Snitch long ago but managed to squander my license a couple of years later. Mini is unfortunately a subscription app, which is something I these days consider a hostile/unfriendly business pattern. I won't be going back. LuLu is a free alternative.

I generally agree with you so I looked it up. In-App Purchases: Yearly Subscription $13.49 Monthly Subscription $1.49 That's surprisingly modest. 3-4 years of subscription approximately being equal to a license sounds reasonable. The real question is, is little snitch rent seeking? Given what happened after Catalina, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt at the moment. Paying for updates before receiving them def…

> 3-4 years of subscription approximately being equal to a license sounds reasonable.

Which is probably why the apps on the App Store which offer both subscription and lifetime pricing tend to have the latter at about 3 times the cost of the former. But Little Snitch Mini does not offer that choice.

I’d be willing to pay more than 40$ for a one-time purchase of Little Snitch Mini, but there’s zero chance I’ll do it as a subscription.

Re: Little Snitch Mini

#89

I've been using Little Snitch for years, and it's probably the most important software on my computer. However, I've noticed a problematic trend in modern software development: developers are using the same hostname to serve both functional and non-functional web APIs. For example, let's say that Apple's Xcode sends harmless data to their telemetry service at telemetry.apple.test. Even though the data is anonymous, I…

I think this maybe could indicate potential increased usage of reverse proxies? Total shot in the dark though, not sure.

Re: Little Snitch Mini

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People are probably going to be confused between this and the "full" version of Little Snitch. My take on it is that Little Snitch Mini is something you can install on a non-technical friend or family member's computer whereas power users may want to stick with the existing offering. I say this as a long time heavy user of Little Snitch. It's very annoying when you first get it installed, but it provides really usefu…

I've always thought this should be a feature in an OS for advanced users. Combined with some OS level security optimizations it could be quite a powerful security feature for the paranoid and at-risk. I haven't tried mini but there's probably plenty of UX gains in between the standard Little Snitch fine control approach and the UBlock Origin style community curated defaults where control/customization is optional/on-…

> I've always thought this should be a feature in an OS for advanced users. Combined with some OS level security optimizations it could be quite a powerful security feature for the paranoid and at-risk.

I agree, by integrating it with an OS with good sandboxing you can provide some powerful security benefits, otherwise the main use cases I see are marginal privacy improvements by blocking telemetry from non-malicious apps, or reducing bandwidth usage.

Android does a pretty good job of this with its sandboxing and the network permissions for apps, and you can view the data usage per app in your settings.

edit: here is a good resource explaining Android security features and firewalls https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/android.html

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