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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by EricE »

gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

A friend had a Hyundai Elantra. He needed new brakes so we went to Autozone, picked up some pads and then we jacked it up. I was flabbergasted - they were the easiest brakes to change in any car I have ever done. One bolt, swing the calipers up, pop the old pads out, plug in the new ones, swing the caliper down and put the bolt back in. Had both done in 20 minutes. It was amazing. A car actually DESIGNED to be serviced.

A few months later the crank angle sensor went out - again it was the easiest car to work on I have ever seen. The sensor was out in the open, not buried under a bunch of crap. One 10mm bolt, and the harness connector was easily accessible too. Five minutes and we were done.

Apparently it's no accident - their attention to detail carries over into their construction equipment too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUi4Fc_8hE

Oh yeah, car had 250,000 miles on it and still ran like a top while getting 40MPG. Other than using a little oil. For a "cheap" car I was beyond impressed.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

ridgered4 wrote: post #446
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #210

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I turn my bluetooth completely off for this reason. It's the only way I can figure to prevent this.

I'm not sure if this is even possible on my car. Is there a hardware module I can remove?

I turn it off on my phone. Don't know if there's a setting in the car. I'm sure you can rip out some Bluetooth receiver in the car if you're really determined

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by jagged-chisel »

Waterluvian wrote: post #407
jagged-chisel wrote: post #399

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IMHO, it has everything to do with old-school executives absolutely beside themselves that the expert labor they should be hiring (for UI/UX) requires wages several times higher than their line workers.

I expect executives to be absolutely beside themselves that they can spend a fraction of money on a few UX designers and coders and eliminate an entire class of parts and steps in a production line. It’ll be an absolute steal. Executive level usually doesn’t think much about individual salaries and instead thinks about budgets, complexity, and risk.

> … eliminate an entire class of parts and steps in a production line.

What would they be eliminating?

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Post by recursivequine »

judge2020 wrote: post #167
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #140

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And navigating a software menu (which changes at random times when it updates itself) just to open the fucking glove compartment. What was wrong with a physical latch?

It allows you to lock it with a pin. I don't want to carry keys.

Exactly, it's super useful & frictionless.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by recursivequine »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #440
wongarsu wrote: post #374

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Then put a physical button (with deep travel) on the glove compartment. If it isn't pin-protected it works exactly as a physical latch would, just with an extra redirection through some microcontroller. When you enable the pin lock, pressing the button opens the pin input on the screen.

Please go work for Tesla, because the design you just came up with on the fly is 100x better than theirs.

That sounds awful. My hand has to travel to the glovebox, find a button, back to the touch screen, then back to the box. There's no eloquence.

I think the tesla glove box is easier for a driver to open than a manual one. Two rapid taps & it's waiting for you

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

recursivequine wrote: post #466
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #440

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Please go work for Tesla, because the design you just came up with on the fly is 100x better than theirs.

That sounds awful. My hand has to travel to the glovebox, find a button, back to the touch screen, then back to the box. There's no eloquence. I think the tesla glove box is easier for a driver to open than a manual one. Two rapid taps & it's waiting for you

Most people leave the glove box unlocked most of the time. Tesla optimized for the rare case.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by buffington »

HPsquared wrote: post #375
pleb_nz wrote: post #333

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A voice command takes longer to execute than a press or flick of a finger IMO. It would be interesting to see what the cognitive loads are between a physical movement and a set of voice commands. I remember reading a study that found talking to another person in the vehicle was the equivalent to having had a certain amount of alcohol. I'm sure there's a difference between voice.commands and conversation, but interest…

Voice commands are good because you can keep both your eyes and hands on the task of driving without interruption. Having an actual conversation with someone is much more distracting because you need to listen to them, preserve social norms, etc.

In my Model 3, voice commands work flawlessly for my wife.

For me, it never hears me. Doesn't matter if I talk loud or quite, fast or slow. I'm a native english speaker with no regional accent. Tesla also has no explanation.

Thing is, even if it worked for me, I'd still trade it for dedicated buttons. It borders on aggravating when my wife is driving to be mid conversation and have her suddenly yell out "wipers on".

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by sundvor »

dghughes wrote: post #451
afiori wrote: post #268

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Well the anti touch screen camp is more accurately a "don't take my dials and buttons" camp

I'd call it more don't make what was one press of a button into five taps on a touch screen. Plus gloves in winter regions we wear gloves 6 months of the year.

The automatic (#1) steering wheel heater would help you with that, it's the one feature I didn't know how much I needed. And that's just from Melbourne, Aus, where it gets down to about -1c to 2-3c (30-37f) at the most. :-)

I don't find myself needing to dig into any menus whilst driving. I use voice control to change music etc, and I tend to enter my nav at the beginning of my trips. You can still control volume and pause with steering wheel buttons. I'd like call answering and hang-up buttons as well for the steering wheel.

As a Fanatec Podium owner/sim-racer I'm used to having more physical buttons and there's definitely room for more underneath + on the back. I would like some for immediately folding mirrors and a few other functions.

#1) Automation of steering wheel warmer was a recent OTA; previously it was manual.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by midoridensha »

sonofhans wrote: post #61
jonathankoren wrote: post #19

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I’m pretty sure you regularly use a piece of plastic with 104 near identical buttons without looking at any of them.

That’s not analogous. Proper use, or accustomed use, of a keyboard places the hands in the correct position by default. Our hands don’t remember the _absolute_ position of those buttons, only their position _relative_ to other buttons. Buttons in car control panels require users to leave the default position of hands-on-wheel and acquire the new button. That’s an expensive operation, and it’s well-studied — https://e…

>Also, keyboard layouts are static — learn QWERTY once, use it forever.

Or you could learn Dvorak and switch between the two.

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