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Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by rat9988 »

SergeAx wrote: post #474
adambard wrote: post #436

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Copilot user here. Copilot (the existing gpt-3 one) definitely helps at writing unit tests. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't nail it, but one thing it can do reliably is to repeat a pattern, and I don't know about you, but my unit tests tend to repeat the same pattern (with some tweaks to test this-or-that-case). Quite often it infers the correct change from the name I gave the test method, but even if it doesn't it'll wri…

I have a "Generate... -> Test for function" in my JetBrais IDE out of the box for several years, and it takes care of boilerplate pretty well.

You haven't tested how powerful copilot is, have you?

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

rvz wrote: post #469
pastor_bob wrote: post #393

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$50+ in monthly subscription fees? BRB buying some MSFT

> BRB buying some MSFT No. Tell me you buy the hype and on high impact macro-economic news like FOMC and lose more money due to volatility without telling me. Almost everyone here knew GPT-4 will release soon, months ago in advance and you now decide to 'buy' MSFT as soon as it goes up to $277? The market really does get retail FOMO'ing in stocks with the hype and it just never ceases to surprise me that it happens h…

Based on my own productivity, and how strong the tools seem to be, then I presume current increase in the value is still too very low. These tools would eventually reduce workforce costs by 90% at the very least in my view. To me it seems like most people don't truly understand how things are going to change now.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

moonchrome wrote: post #619
wysewun wrote: post #459

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Great point. Time to do research on how much GitHub contributes to msft earnings. Really does seem like they’re on the verge of a huge jump

They are bragging about 1m developers on copilot, let's say 20$/m to be generous - that's 20m$/month - they probably have larger single client revenues than that and I doubt copilot is high margin (I bet I spend more than 10$/month in compute by the queries I generate). Unless this goes to hundreds of dollars/month (which I would pay if it was a good experience) I don't see this making a dent.

Probably it will be using license for enterprises with decent margins, and it will be much higher cost then. Soon it's no-brainer for all enterprises to buy. I truly think that a little bit more time and engineering costs would be down 80% - 90%, because of all this tooling.

Re: GitHub Copilot X – Sign up for technical preview

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Post by awestroke »

qwertox wrote: post #364
awestroke wrote: post #332

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What's your point?

Why not offer parts of it as a website? The part where I chat with it, where I ask my questions and get my answers. (Maybe it could bridge into VS Code via a local server to exchange code.)

There is already a website. It's on chat.openai.com

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Post by taormina »

nixarn wrote: post #371
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Who will verify that those data are correct? What if majority of the code sucks, what if majority code uses "best practices" that are no longer valid - think of many GoF Java "patterns" that are now considered to be code smell? AI will not invent anything, it will effectively reproduce mistakes made by others. The process of code writing is such a small part of the whole IT project, that shortening of time spent on w…

Have you tried co-pilot? I don't want to code without it. Saves so much time and produces good results, instead of searching for answers online, which isn't easy as you get into ad filled sites, find shitty Stack Overflow answers and webpages with outdated docs and examples. Two examples from this week. Formatting dates in javascript, I had a datetime string and I wanted to show it as YY-MM-DD HH:MM for our internal…

So it set some headers. Did it pick the right headers? Did it know what headers the recipient was expecting?

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Post by DeathArrow »

dathinab wrote: post #608
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Do you honestly think that Microsoft is scared of Linux taking over the desktop?

It never was about emotional things like being scared. It's about eliminating competition and especially preventing potential future competition, it's about maximizing control and power to the most you can without losing otherwise (due to e.g. law regulations lost consumer trust etc.). It's just a game of numbers and future prospect. Just the fact alone that Valve has Linux as a form of "escape hatch" if Microsoft lo…

Microsoft already owns the desktop and I don't think they consider Linux a threat.

macOS would be a a better contender but I don't think they consider that a threat, also.

In fact, Windows is starting to weigh less and less in overall Microsoft strategy. Windows mattered when all we had were desktops but now they have lots of cows they are milking.

I won't be surprised if in the future Microsoft will find that it isn't worth to pay for the development of Windows and will release it's own Linux distribution. It would be quite a disappointment for me, but certainly possible.

> but even with all this challenges Desktop Linux is quite usable, actually for some people _more_ usable then Windows.

I've tried since 23 years ago to use Linux as a desktop but it failed repeatedly. I even have it installed on a separate disk on my home PC but I seldom boot it.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

pleb_nz wrote: post #411
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> We'll probably need less and less developers as AI advance. Just like we need less manual labor in farms today. There will be more developing than ever, but humans will sit on a different place in the stack. We'll be more like team managers. Stable Diffusion can make pretty pictures by itself, but only when a human directs it then it can have value.

The point is you'll need less humans to do the same work. Possible far less, maybe it'll be a smaller ratio to start with but eventually that ratio will grow. Most organizations are there to make profit for shareholders, if more profit can be obtained through less hires while still meeting money making goals the you can bet your bottom dollar they will hire less people where possible. People early in their careers sh…

Literally every programming advancement from punch cards to now has made you need less people to do the same amount of work but we have more programmers working today than ever before.

Your outlook sounds plausible in a vacuum but doesn’t match reality.

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Post by bredren »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #560
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Apple has always had its own hardware based silo to some extent (excellent products and design, fully integrated). Still, I suspect the AI stuff will be hard for them. They were first to market with Siri and it’s still trash 13yrs(?!) later. It’s always been what they’re weakest at, I’m not sure LLMs will be different for them. The headset could still give them a nice hardware platform advantage though if that UX bec…

Really surprised Apple didn't buy OpenAI; they will regret that MSFT did so.

I think apple made a choice a while back to yield software engineering workflows outside Swift to Microsoft.

I had expected Apple to produce its own version of GitHub, but the space is apparently too messy.

The earliest value of open AI is similarly messy. Lots of press about how to jailbreak or trick the thing. Bad answers or questions about legality of what the models produce.

None of that comes anywhere near where apple can use its strengths. It just opens new surfaces that require expertise the company doesn’t have.

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Post by nicce »

adzm wrote: post #274
gonehome wrote: post #261

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They’re strategically exceptional, but beyond that a lot of their products (or subsidiaries) are also dominant for good reason (vscode, GitHub). O365 and the product integration there (teams) is why they crushed slack despite slack’s headstart. Slack sold out to languish at salesforce while Microsoft will now just own that space. Cherry picking a Microsoft app for macOS is like looking at iTunes on windows, it’s not…

Unfortunate about slack. It really seems to have stagnated. At least we have discord; I'm really glad they turned down Microsoft's 12 billion offer.

Discord is yet another walled garden to be fair. It might be good replacement for some little, private communities.

But also large communities are moving into Discord instead of using some public, index-able and findable platforms. They used to be public in the past and people very able to read information about them without going process for creating account, acceptance or even finding whole community.

Discord is terrible for storing long term information in text form. People try to keep some pinned posts but no.. information disappears, when in comparison for forums it was there.

And let's not start with privacy.

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