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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by Jnr » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:26 PM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #219

gffrd wrote: post #201

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The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

I really want an option like this Enable [ X ] Audio [ ] Phone Calls Because I never, not one single time, wanted a phone call to blast over my car audio. Not once. I can't be the only one that has wanted the car to be a speakerphone exactly 0 times. Heck maybe someone is the opposite. They love terrestrial radio or their CD collection and also the speakerphone feature. Give people options.

Toyotas used to have that option.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by bdcravens » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:28 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #278

bdcravens wrote: post #198

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The GV60 is the same platform as the Ioniq 5 and EV6. Ioniq is hard to find, but EV6's are relatively available.

Is it? We walked into our local Hyundai and they had several models they were selling at MSRP.

A quick check shows you're right - they are pretty common now. When I bought my EV6 in September, it was a much different story.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by bdcravens » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:31 PM UTC

jerkstate wrote: post #264

bdcravens wrote: post #195

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I've had an EV6 for 6 months, and I don't find them counterintuitive.

be honest - how many of the 30 or 40 physical controls do you actually use on a regular basis?

I frequently switch mode between Eco and Sport, always switch to level 4 regen, and use both cruise control and the volume controls daily. So just on the steering wheel, I use probably 75% of the levers and buttons daily. Maybe I'm the rare power user. :-)

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by charles_f » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:32 PM UTC

aphrax wrote: post #294

charles_f wrote: post #234

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My old cx-5 has knobs, I love them, but the rest of the system sucks (notably, if you allow the car to download your contacts it will take several minutes at each start to allow you to play audio)

Oh, is that why it takes so long to start audio? If you dont download contacts does audio start in a reasonable time?

Yep, audio starts within 10-15s. Unpair your phone then pair again, select no when it asks if you want to sync contacts and messages

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by kristopolous » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:59 PM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #248

modeless wrote: post #239

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Is this not a thing? My phone has the option to disable phone calls but leave audio enabled. Also my car now asks before transferring a call in progress from the phone to the car instead of doing it automatically when it's in range.

Oh it is! It might be new. It's yet another reminder to constantly recheck things and not assume things don't change I wonder if it works. Thanks. I'll try it!

So now I remember.

The car refuses to connect unless I give it phone permissions.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by ridgered4 » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:45 PM UTC

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #210

gffrd wrote: post #201

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The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

I turn my bluetooth completely off for this reason. It's the only way I can figure to prevent this.

I'm not sure if this is even possible on my car. Is there a hardware module I can remove?

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by SomeCallMeTim » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 5:00 PM UTC

serpix wrote: post #326

spockz wrote: post #222

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I loved the look and interior of the Ioniq 5. However when testdriving it, it felt sitting on a plank getting tossed about while going over roundabouts. I also had it loose grip and have the FWD kick in in situations and conditions that have never been an issue at higher speeds in my previous (smaller and lower) cars and my current XC90. maybe it had something to do with the large amount of power it has. But it felt…

I had the exact same feel when test driving it. It has problems cornering and driving in winter conditions.

Hmm. I've driven on snowy roads and found it to be better at handling than any other car I've driven, even counting cars that had dedicated snow tires (whereas the Ioniq only had all-season tires).

It also has a "snow mode" to help with particularly bad roads. I found at least one review that puts its snow handling down as a "pro", so it's not just me. [1]

I did get the Limited AWD with the 20" wheels. Not sure if that makes a difference.

[1] https://www.hotcars.com/2023-hyundai-ioniq-5-review/

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by pleb_nz » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 5:20 PM UTC

HPsquared wrote: post #375

pleb_nz wrote: post #333

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A voice command takes longer to execute than a press or flick of a finger IMO. It would be interesting to see what the cognitive loads are between a physical movement and a set of voice commands. I remember reading a study that found talking to another person in the vehicle was the equivalent to having had a certain amount of alcohol. I'm sure there's a difference between voice.commands and conversation, but interest…

Voice commands are good because you can keep both your eyes and hands on the task of driving without interruption. Having an actual conversation with someone is much more distracting because you need to listen to them, preserve social norms, etc.

In theory yes, but it's never that simple is it.

I have no skin in the game personally though. I just thought it would be interesting to see the figures in comparison.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by cyberax » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

zmeden wrote: post #300

cyberax wrote: post #175

I wish automakers would make buttons with small programmable OLED displays, so that I could bind custom actions to them. I hated button layout in ALL of the cars I've owned. I usually needed only a couple of buttons, with the rest being unused.

That would be nice but very expensive and not so robust as moulded parts without any display/electronic on the surface. I wonder if there is a cheaper way of customizing the button icons than with OLED displays.

Heck, I'd be OK if the automakers went old school with replaceable stickers/panels.

Hm. Should I patent it? Off to USPTO!

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by everythingbagel » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 6:37 PM UTC

_AzMoo wrote: post #353

kristopolous wrote: post #219

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I really want an option like this Enable [ X ] Audio [ ] Phone Calls Because I never, not one single time, wanted a phone call to blast over my car audio. Not once. I can't be the only one that has wanted the car to be a speakerphone exactly 0 times. Heck maybe someone is the opposite. They love terrestrial radio or their CD collection and also the speakerphone feature. Give people options.

Why wouldn't you want that? Do you not take calls in your car?

My phone connection is screwed up in my 2012 Honda Civic so all the caller hears is a high pitched screeching sound. I have not found a way to turn off calls on the Honda system or on my iPhone and it's so frustrating! Especially when calling out because you can't switch to using the phone's speakers/mic until the call has been answered. This means there is always a 10-20 second bit of time where I have to shout my apologies until I can get it changed. Or I have to turn bluetooth off entirely and it takes a minute to get it connected again after my phone call.