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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by tylermac1 »

gffrd wrote: post #201
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

> and happen to see my wife drive by, 40 feet away, through a concrete wall and some glass.

Is she okay?

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by efields »

I have one of those cars that’s mostly touchscreen and it doesn’t bother me. The most important actions for driving have analog controls around the steering column or on the wheel. I set the cabin temp once and don’t touch it because climate control is a very easy task for car computers. I can pause the audio and change volume from the wheel. This is fine. The car designers do get paid to think about this stuff, and they mostly do a good job. It’s only a debate because the internet has opinions.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by sn_master »

robofanatic wrote: post #396

For many of these UI designers the inspiration for a physical buttonless control panel might have come from the famous Steve Jobs iPhone launch keynote. In that speech he convinced the world why having physical buttons is a bad design choice. Obviously he was talking about just phones.

Yup, if you're browsing or using an app, your eyes are already on the phone screen. That shouldn't be true when you're driving.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by helipad »

efields wrote: post #402

I have one of those cars that’s mostly touchscreen and it doesn’t bother me. The most important actions for driving have analog controls around the steering column or on the wheel. I set the cabin temp once and don’t touch it because climate control is a very easy task for car computers. I can pause the audio and change volume from the wheel. This is fine. The car designers do get paid to think about this stuff, and…

SO is car button designer for Tier 1 supplier. It's not only a debate on the internet.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by pcthrowaway »

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

> I cannot disable this. Drives me absolutely nuts

Does this actually happen even if you're using bluetooth headphones? Or just wired headphones.

Because if it's bluetooth headphones that's pretty surprising.

If you mean you're using wired headphones, I realize this is obvious, but you can just turn bluetooth off on your phone when you're not using it. Arguably, you should, since bluetooth drains the battery for no reason and leads to more electronmagnetic 'noise' in the house (interfering with other bluetooth devices) as well as draining the battery on your phone, and possibly having negative effects on your health if you talk while holding your phone to your head

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by alexvoda »

Tade0 wrote: post #226
gffrd wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

This is why I hate that modern flagship phones usually don't have a headphone jack. Once you pair devices, it defaults to this connection. My SO often borrows my noise-canceling headphones and as it stands they're firmly paired with her iPad and will not let go without elaborate ceremony.

You are using them wrong. The intended solution is to buy another set of headphones.

/s

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by Waterluvian »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #399
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #393

Both buttons and touchscreens have a place in a car... especially ergonomic buttons in just the right place and a well made touchscreen gui. All the things that the driver might ever do during driving (blinkers, lights, radio, ac,...) should always be controlled by a physical button, that is easy to find by touch only, even in the dark. On the other hand, reseting TPMS (air pressure system) sensors, looking at servic…

IMHO, it has everything to do with old-school executives absolutely beside themselves that the expert labor they should be hiring (for UI/UX) requires wages several times higher than their line workers.

I expect executives to be absolutely beside themselves that they can spend a fraction of money on a few UX designers and coders and eliminate an entire class of parts and steps in a production line.

It’ll be an absolute steal. Executive level usually doesn’t think much about individual salaries and instead thinks about budgets, complexity, and risk.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by 3np »

FrojoS wrote: post #328
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

Bluetooth is the worst standard ever [1, 2, 3]. My 'solution' is: _Maximum_ 1 (one, one!) Bluetooth 'master' (e.g. phone) device per 'slave device' (e.g. headphones, speaker). That means, if your friend asks if they can connect to your speaker the answer is "Sorry, no.". If you want to use headphones on your laptop and your phone, you need to buy two headphones, etc. For really problematic appliances, like cars, I ju…

It's all in the implementation (which is not to say that the standard isn't contributing to poor implementations).

If you believe hassle-free multi-device Bluetooth is a pipe dream, you have not been experiencing the magic of a ZMK firmware keyboard roaming between devices with high reliability and practically no delay.

(Less blissful and smooth if you want to pair a Windows dual-boot system as a single device tho :p)

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by ydant »

beAbU wrote: post #221
qgin wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could live with auto-connect, but the assumption that I want to immediately start playing anything seems like a nuts assumption to me.

Ironic, I'm /completely/ the opposite. My radio cannot connect and start playing music fast enough. The radio stations in my area are all total and utter shit, and I'd rather listen to white noise while I wait for the BT to connect and start playing my music. I find it difficult to even listen to a radio station for a minute these days. It's now permanently set to a dead frequency. My old car had an aftermarket head…

For my car, I solved the radio issue by plugging in a headphone plug (no cable attached) into the aux input. The car prioritizes android auto/BT->aux input->XM/FM, so by having this plugged in the radio never plays automatically. It just starts on aux (no sound), then switches to Android Auto once it's connected.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by JasonFruit »

afiori wrote: post #268
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was sort of in the anti-touchscreen camp too, but the early 2020 Tesla has just the right controls on the wheel and stocks that I don’t mind the screen. And, also, the big screen for maps and backup cameras is really nice.

Well the anti touch screen camp is more accurately a "don't take my dials and buttons" camp

This is really it for me. I don't mind having a touch screen; I just want to never have to use it while I'm driving.
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