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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by TedDoesntTalk » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:08 AM UTC

xedrac wrote: post #152

bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I own two Hyundai (2007 Entourage, 2015 Sonata), and a 2022 Honda Odyssey. My initial impression of the Honda is far better than it was for my Hyundais. We'll see how it progresses over time, but as of now, I don't plan to buy Hyundai again. The only thing I hate about my Honda is I can't turn default-to-off that stupid setting that kills the engine and restarts it automatically whenever you stop the vehicle at a lig…

You’re comparing cars that are a generation or two apart. Not really a fair comparison.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by ngcc_hk » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:09 AM UTC

That is the criteria I used in selection of car. Tesla is off

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by tastysandwich » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:09 AM UTC

nichos wrote: post #158

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

You might want to look at tasker to have it enable Bluetooth when you're not at home or something similar. Also, on most cars you can change the priority of phones, moving yours down would help.

Then it becomes really annoying when we're both in the car and I want to use my phone.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by askvictor » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:09 AM UTC

Izikiel43 wrote: post #110

gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

Mazda? They don’t even have touchscreens

On the mazda 6 at least, there's a touchscreen for the native nav/media/etc software, but the touchscreen is disabled if you use Android Auto and are forced to use the dial interface. Go figure.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by thesuitonym » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:13 AM UTC

tastysandwich wrote: post #183

nichos wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to look at tasker to have it enable Bluetooth when you're not at home or something similar. Also, on most cars you can change the priority of phones, moving yours down would help.

Then it becomes really annoying when we're both in the car and I want to use my phone.

There is no magic solution that would, without user intervention, automatically know which phone you want to connect. It can't (yet) read your mind.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by peeters » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:15 AM UTC

havblue wrote: post #50

The cabin controls are okay on Hyundais, I guess. I remember having to use the touchscreen to set the rear temperature controls. This is confusing when the main screen is occupied by Android auto. So it isn't like you have button control over everything. I'd recommend Mazda for getting pushbutton controls right.

I'm a big fan of the Commander knob on my Mazda (despite absolutely everything else about their infotainment being hot garbage). It's so easy to use without being distracted, more so even than physical buttons. But unfortunately, it seems like Android Auto is going more and more away from supporting non-touchscreen inputs. First they added forced "look at the road" breaks when you were scrolling a large list, which actually made it more dangerous when scrolling with the knob in a Mazda since it would just take longer. And their new layout is pretty terrible for a rotary input as it has no clear tab flow.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by piyh » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:21 AM UTC

biofox wrote: post #121

redindian75 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

That sounds like a poor solution to a problem of their own making

At least it's hands free unlike the pile of shit that is Subaru Outback's infotainment. Takes upwards of 20 seconds to change any settings after the car turns on because it lags so bad.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by qgin » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:22 AM UTC

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

I could live with auto-connect, but the assumption that I want to immediately start playing anything seems like a nuts assumption to me.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by polishdude20 » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:22 AM UTC

I mean, do I care about a promise for this? If I'm in the market for a car and they're important enough to me, I'll just buy a car that does have buttons. If they break their promise, it's not like I'm screwed. My current button-full car still has them. Next time I need another car I'll buy one that does have buttons.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 4:24 AM UTC

bmitc wrote: post #80

gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I leased a Kia Niro EV last year (EV FOMO made me unwilling to commit to a car right now, plus the used car market was obscene). I’ve been generally delighted with it, excluding the stupid Bluetooth auto connect nonsense.