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Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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"If a Pixar employee applies to Intel without being recruited by Intel, contact Pat Gelsinger and explain to him a Pixar employee (provide the candidates name) has applied to Intel without being recruited and he will contact the CEO of Pixar for approval to hire" Scary.

Yeah. These corporations dealing with employees sound more like pimps dealing with their "ho"s.

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I'm surprised just how ruthlessly this was enforced. When Jobs complained to Schmidt, the person who contacted an Apple employee was "terminated within the hour." A Senior Google VP replied: "Appropriate response, thank you. Please make a public example of this termination with the group." Mind you, they have a great incentive. Only a handful of companies recognise 10x (or 100x) developers and they would like to cont…

Which companies recognize 10x or 100x developers?

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because something is expected doesn't mean that it is acceptable. On the contrary, if someone fucks up, like they always do, and you EXPECT it, you can act on it. In this case, thousands of people are about to have a payday because some evil execs who probably don't even know how email works fucked up. Someone, somewhere expected it, got the evidence nailed down, and went after them. After this settles, there's…

hmmm... Well, this isn't an attack against you personally, or a tit-for-tat sort of comment, but... > We have to work among the group of people for which this behavior is standard procedure. You ARE saying that this is acceptable, since "we have to" work among them, and I just don't agree :)

Well, the alternative is homelessness and early death.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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I'm the CEO of the fastest growing tech company in my geographical region ( off the beaten path ) and I get calls by other CEOs asking for stuff like this very very often. In our case it's because those other CEOs don't want to compete on perk and benefits with us which makes it even more sad.

This happens everywhere and at all levels.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. If I were larry or sergei I'd fire Schmidt. Now, that might mean I'd never run a company as large as google, but I'm okay with that. This incident removes Google from my list of tech giants I'd work for leaving it, well, empty. Sad to see. I'm not surprised by the behaviour of Apple and others, but I thought better of Google than this.

I must admit that the next time a Google recruiter contacts me, chances are good I'll bring up this case.

This is a fantastic idea. I regularly get contacted by a recruiter from Google. Citing it as a reason you wouldn't feel comfortable working there is definitely a way to impact their thinking the next time they have to make a decision that negatively impacts the people working for them. Developers have a lot of power as sought after employees.

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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The one argument I get sick of hearing bandied around in cases like these is: "but those companies invested a lot of money in training their employees. How would you like it if you owned a business and trained someone only to have them poached?" In the words of Dwight Shrute: "False!". Most of the employees in question in this case and probably every other case where poaching is worthwhile are autodidacts. These empl…

When most people make investments they take steps to protect those investments, if they don't want to lose the investment they should match the salary of the competitor.

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I can only imagine how hard it is to have fair negotiations when a prospective employee applies at a competing company only to be told "no thanks" simply because of a hush hush agreement between the executives of said companies. This flies counter with Google's "do no evil" statement and certainly doesn't paint a positive posthumous picture of Jobs.

Agreed. If I were larry or sergei I'd fire Schmidt. Now, that might mean I'd never run a company as large as google, but I'm okay with that. This incident removes Google from my list of tech giants I'd work for leaving it, well, empty. Sad to see. I'm not surprised by the behaviour of Apple and others, but I thought better of Google than this.

Why are everyone in here so surprised at Google being in on this? Are tech people really that blinded by their fanboyism?

Re: Steve Jobs personally asked Eric Schmidt to stop poaching employees

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The one argument I get sick of hearing bandied around in cases like these is: "but those companies invested a lot of money in training their employees. How would you like it if you owned a business and trained someone only to have them poached?" In the words of Dwight Shrute: "False!". Most of the employees in question in this case and probably every other case where poaching is worthwhile are autodidacts. These empl…

When most people make investments they take steps to protect those investments, if they don't want to lose the investment they should match the salary of the competitor.

Matching the salary of the competitor is pretty easy when the competitor has an agreement with you not to offer a higher salary for your employees.
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