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Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by EToS »

endtime wrote: post #180
tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

> This Google Account isn’t supported > Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18. Learn more Google: 15 years of punishment for being a loyal Dasher/ Google Apps/GSuite/Google Workspace user.

Its like paying to be a second class citizen! :)

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Post by superfrank »

Kalium wrote: post #181
superfrank wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure where you are, but I always assume that means, "We're doing something that some might consider sketchy and don't want to dedicate resources to figuring out if it's legal outside the US".

I suspect it's more often "We haven't checked yet, and Legal prefers we be cautious until they have time" rather than actively thinking it's something some might consider sketchy.

Yeah, you're right. Sketcky is probably the wrong way to describe it. I more just mean something we haven't done before/don't know about.

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

deelly wrote: post #204
Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-US countries like to fine US tech companies and create regulations ect. which we are already seeing in the EU wrt AI. So it makes sense why they don't want to be involved in that kind of thing before there is even a real product. That is, there is no upside for them aside from market share, which I agree is important but does not alone explain Google's product failures, about which much has already been written.

Sorry, just to be sure, its a theory, or you know it as a fact?

Yeah its just my theory. I'm not aware of any public reasoning given for their actions, although it's possible they may have mentioned it in an earnings call or something.

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Post by Someone1234 »

muttled wrote: post #153
drumhead wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was Google+ invite only initially?

And stayed that way until after the hype died off, murdering their own chance at network effects.

That plus the real name policy[0]. One month after launch:

> Conflicts regarding Google+ began in July 2011 when the social networking site began enforcing its real name only policy by suspending the accounts of users it felt were not following the policy.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymwars

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Post by dao- »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #207
dao- wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Might be localization If that's the problem then they're not supplying the right fix. Surely restricting this to users located in the US doesn't prevent people from writing in a language that isn't English. Google should be capable of detecting the language of a query, and potentially rejecting it based on that with an apology. > PR, Obviously there must be _some_ reason why they're doing this. Doesn't mean it's a…

> That would be rather embarrassing for Google. Why? They have no idea how many users they will get. If they buy A100s on the assumption they will get 50M daily active users they run the risk of wasting an enormous amount of money if they get 1M users instead. And its not like these GPUs grow on trees. Clearly MSFT is struggling to set up compute fast enough, see the decreasing rate limits on GPT-4.

So you're saying they might be incompetent enough for their estimation to be off by 50x? You're also saying Google, _a cloud computing provider selling access to A100s_, can't scale this dynamically?

> Clearly MSFT is struggling to set up compute fast enough, see the decreasing rate limits on GPT-4.

Well, even so, this is how you'd deal with capacity problems, rather than by arbitrarily shutting out parts of the world.

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Post by jonas21 »

caddemon wrote: post #182
rospaya wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be localization, PR, scaling, not enough capacity for the new users. I hate it but I can imagine it.

There also could be legal reasons, I have no idea if it's the case here but theoretically I could imagine something like "right to be forgotten" interacting oddly with LLMs.

Also libel (if the LLM makes up facts about someone), copyright (if it reproduces content), privacy (if some of the data it trained on wasn't intended to be public), etc.

And on top of that, there are plenty of novel things that may or may not be illegal. If it can be tricked into making a pro-Nazi statement, is it violating German law? What if it offers medical or legal advice without a license?

It's a pretty big legal minefield, and different jurisdictions have different laws and standards, so it makes sense to limit your exposure.

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Post by mclightning »

endtime wrote: post #180
tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

> This Google Account isn’t supported > Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18. Learn more Google: 15 years of punishment for being a loyal Dasher/ Google Apps/GSuite/Google Workspace user.

Same here, and the account switcher doesn't work.

Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by dragonwriter »

ayende wrote: post #177

I'm using paid Google account, so I'm getting that this isn't available. Makes sense, I'm already a customer, no reason to keep me as such, right?

I’m using a paid Google account and had no problem; I suspect your problem is you are using their conservative business paid offering (Workspace) instead of their consumer paid offering (One) where products don’t need to be proven or have a clear place in their selling-to-business portfolio before they are integrated.
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