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DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

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Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Single” in this case refers to the polymorphism not the segment length.

Could you elaborate on this? Are you claiming that SNPs do not generally refer to only one nucleotide?

There is another acronym, MNP, that means Multiple Nucleotide Polymorphism, but it's rarely used. It's very common to use SNP even if the variation is two or three nucleotides.

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

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I loved reading this. A nice short but true mystery solving story. But the epilogue about how being an electronics engineer gave them a bit of a unique edge feels like a self-serving stretch. The techniques in the story seem accessible to any reasonably well-learned individual if they’re motivated enough to sleuth. All the advanced work was done by other people. And there’s a tinge of the classic, “the established di…

> And there’s a tinge of the classic, “the established discipline is living in the past but us engineers can do it better…”

It's a classic for a reason :)

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

#23
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Amazing! I wonder how much this rules out the espionage, or the connection to Jo Thomson though. I wonder if she sold him the poison or something. In any case, I am morbidly fascinated by stories of people dying alone, without children, and being forgotten. Perhaps because I feel it could be my own fate. Certainly more common than any of us are prepared for, as we are all decendents of the genetic winners.

What fascinates me about this thought is that being a genetic winner in modern society could just mean you were qualified enough to donate to a sperm bank.

No more successful relationships or sinister ways of ensuring genetic survival are required.

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

#24
post #7

Amazing! I wonder how much this rules out the espionage, or the connection to Jo Thomson though. I wonder if she sold him the poison or something. In any case, I am morbidly fascinated by stories of people dying alone, without children, and being forgotten. Perhaps because I feel it could be my own fate. Certainly more common than any of us are prepared for, as we are all decendents of the genetic winners.

What fascinates me about this thought is that being a genetic winner in modern society could just mean you were qualified enough to donate to a sperm bank. No more successful relationships or sinister ways of ensuring genetic survival are required.

You usually have to meet some criteria (health, education, age) in order to donate to a sperm bank. And after this selection you have to be selected which is again based on more criteria.

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

#25

I loved reading this. A nice short but true mystery solving story. But the epilogue about how being an electronics engineer gave them a bit of a unique edge feels like a self-serving stretch. The techniques in the story seem accessible to any reasonably well-learned individual if they’re motivated enough to sleuth. All the advanced work was done by other people. And there’s a tinge of the classic, “the established di…

but it is belong biology region. SNPs is a old concept in genomics.

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on this? Are you claiming that SNPs do not generally refer to only one nucleotide?

According to wikipedia [1] it is a single nucleotide (or rather a single base pair). But you obviously need more base pairs to identify which base pair you are looking at in the DNA. Presumably 50-150 base pairs is the length of DNA fragments required to be able to identify where in the genome it is. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-nucleotide_polymorphism

> But you obviously need more base pairs to identify which base pair you are looking at in the DNA.

But that's not a SNP, then, that's a read that happens to contain a SNP.

Generally a SNP is addressed by giving the reference base, the mutated base, the chromosome, the base position in that chromosome, and the assembly used to align the read to that location. For example, a T->C mutation at chr2:25164877 using hg38.

Yes, you need to have the whole read to align to your genome assembly to detect the SNP. But before you do that, you don't know whether you have a SNP. And after you do that, the rest of the read is not useful if what you care about is the SNP.

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on this? Are you claiming that SNPs do not generally refer to only one nucleotide?

There is another acronym, MNP, that means Multiple Nucleotide Polymorphism, but it's rarely used. It's very common to use SNP even if the variation is two or three nucleotides.

Sure, but three is a far cry from 50-150, which would almost certainly be reported as a rearrangement or some other sort of structural variation, and would be detected with an entirely different method than SNPs.

Alternately, they're talking about their sequencing reads and calling them SNPs.

I think I should just chalk this one up to my own personal Gell-Mann amnesia and let the article authors do their thing.

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

#29
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> Note that SNPs have around 50 to 150 base pairs of nucleotides What does this mean? SNPs being, by definition, single nucleotide polymorphisms, how does the author jump from 1bp to 50-150bp? Or is he referring to the surrounding DNA region?

Written like this, it doesn't make sense since a SNP has a length of 1. However, you need longer DNA fragments to be able to correctly determine the SNP, and old DNA tends to be fragmented. They are likely referring to those fragment lenghts.

Re: DNA, AI facial reconstruction, and grit identified Somerton Man 75 years later

#30
post #9

Tldr they waited until DNA sequencing and databases were good enough

But what is good enough? Mistakes are still make quite regularly. Most people (all?) still can't grabs what "confidence interval" or "probability" are.

Not sure I understand your question
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