Mastodon hit 10M users • Hacker News Board

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by eecc » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:38 PM UTC

the_gipsy wrote: post #191

emptysongglass wrote: post #115

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> What forum are you talking about. All of Mastadon? Doesn't each instance have its own rules? It's one of the larger instances but the top heaviest constitute the majority by far and they all enshrine these policies. I don't think you're really answering my criticism. You're lumping my "retrograde" progressiveness in with the well-worn wheel of timely revolts against the corruption of the past. I'm saying that both…

One could also argue that the left has widened from being at the service of white male workers to a much broader range of minorities. That is, it is at the service of more people, but white males have lost the exclusive control of it. There seems to be no middle ground anymore for white males that exclusively want to address labor issues. Perhaps it is true that to push for progress in labor, the root problem of the…

well if there's no way to spin anything without getting entagled in some sort of intersectional original sin, then it's devolved in Jacobin Terreur.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

brabel wrote: post #173

devjab wrote: post #154

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> So long as you lean to progressive worldviews and see insult slinging at those that don't see your way not as being toxic, but rather just expressions of righteous indignation. I'm not sure which mastodon server you are on, or which ones you're linked with, but I'm on Universeodon and I've frankly seen nothing of the sort. You do have a point of course, but I haven't seen any sort of toxic behaviour. Toxic and hate…

> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

So what I see often happens that gets people banned based on their political views tends to be someone trying to start a debate where someone else was not in a debate.

Trans person: *exists and makes a post*

"Honest debater": I don't think you should...

And they get banned. Not everything is or was an invitation to "debate".

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by chx » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

redeeman wrote: post #170

jeroenhd wrote: post #131

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In my experience, the blacklists are all pretty sensible. Mostly porn, neonazis, that kind of stuff. I haven't opened Gab in a while so I just loaded the front page, and I can see why Mastodon moderators don't want to deal with them either. The content is not as blatantly illegal as many other blacklisted sites, but the front page is incredibly toxic and hateful. I would block most of those posts if they woulf ever h…

its kinda easy to be labelled neonazi these days

That's because the Overton Window have shifted to the right so much.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by konart » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:41 PM UTC

6ak74rfy wrote: post #62

If you are considering self-hosting your instance, I’ll recommend Go To Social. It is still alpha quality software but all the basic functions work fine. But it’s a much lighter alternative to Mastodon.

From their blog (https://gts.superseriousbusiness.org/@gotosocial/statuses/01...):

>We do not work with transphobes/fascists/racists. If you open an issue or PR on our git repo and we see you are one of those things, or hang out with people like that, we will kick you out of our space. We have no patience for bigotry, and we see no reason whatsoever to tolerate having it anywhere near us. Fuck terfs and fuck nazis.

>we are a strictly antifascist organization. we have zero tolerance for fascism or anything that enables or allows it. (yes that includes capitalism)

I'd honestly rather stay away from people who claim they are "antifascist organization" but at the same time have zero understanding what does "nazism" or "fascism" actually means. Nor do they have any kind of FAQ on how they are going to determine who is what and how should I know if somebody I follow on fediverse or github is one of those things.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by adithyassekhar » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:42 PM UTC

Yes the echo chamber social media.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by notnaut » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:43 PM UTC

Edd314159 wrote: post #235

graypegg wrote: post #199

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This is an odd minority viewpoint for HN actually. I find most people feel rather empowered by the decentralized nature of mastodon… or email for that matter. Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. The difference here is you can just hook into the same decentralized system the publisher is using, and subvert them by fin…

> Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain. This is a strawman. Commenter said anything about the right to free speech, only about the willingness to be exposed to opposing viewpoints. We all know that Bob is not obligated to listen to Alice, and he is not required to host a venue for her opinions. But Bob's eagerness to r…

Ignoring people with opinions that are sophomoric, bigoted, or can’t be differentiated from trolling saves an immense amount of time and frustration. Filtering noise can surely be closer to something a person with a healthy attitude towards other peoples opinions would do as opposed to letting every single person get their 30 seconds on the megaphone, even after their third or fourth flat earth tirade.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by LBJsPNS » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:44 PM UTC

realjhol wrote: post #256

LBJsPNS wrote: post #241

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"the basket of deplorable includes anyone who is not explicitly left wing." Nah. It tends to include neo-nazis, neo-confederates, racists, sexists, white supremacists, kiddy diddlers, and the like. It's not a particularly difficult group to not be a part of.

No. It includes anyone who is opposes left wing ideas and is effective.

Nah. It includes some of the most disgusting members of society. Curious how you rise so adamantly to their defense.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:44 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #258

brabel wrote: post #173

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> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

I don’t know why HN seems to have a culture of confusing minority opinions for toxicity and hate. If you are against gay marriage there’s nothing at all toxic or hateful about that. Hell, I know gay people who were against gay marriage when the public debate was at its peak. Where it’s toxic is if any time a gay person talks about wedding planning, posts a meme about the phrase “her wife” having good energy, or share…

It did not use too, but it is hard for me to tell where/when the shift happened. All I know for sure is that anyone with mildly stronger views on 1st amendment are called speech absolutists. It is extra annoying, because 'hate speech' is mostly recently made up term to stifle free speech AND, more importantly, does not exist anywhere in US constitution.

You can, but it becomes a game of using language that it is harder to pinpoint ( hence silliness like Xi banning 8 for infinity ). All the while majority opinion can be as hateful as is deemed necessary ( and no one complains because it is the majority ) creating yet another echo-chamber we so sorely need.

FWIW, this trend is now being challenged.

edit: I like calling spade a spade. You can dislike it all you want, but I am personally less and less willing to comply with other person's sensibilities[1].

[1]https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763...

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by aktenlage » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:44 PM UTC

baxuz wrote: post #209

Can someone please explain how Mastodon is anything else except Reddit with more hoops to jump through? You have users, subreddits (servers), and mods. Except everything is federated, so you also have the overhead of choosing your server or making a ton of alt accounts. Flashback to old MMO times.

There are no up and downvotes, so it's purely chronological. There are Hashtags. User mentions are more common.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by xorcist » Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:45 PM UTC

brabel wrote: post #173

devjab wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So long as you lean to progressive worldviews and see insult slinging at those that don't see your way not as being toxic, but rather just expressions of righteous indignation. I'm not sure which mastodon server you are on, or which ones you're linked with, but I'm on Universeodon and I've frankly seen nothing of the sort. You do have a point of course, but I haven't seen any sort of toxic behaviour. Toxic and hate…

> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

> distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview"

People said exactly the same thing about open relays and spam filters some twenty years ago. A very famous Internet personality kept an open relay around for many years until there was literally no one left to federate with. I worked at a place who thought themselves obligated to keep around copies of all incoming messages for some period of time.

Who are you to decide between signal and noise, and so on, the discussion went. Turns out that's useless discourse. Because similar logic goes the other way around, who are you to decide what I keep?

I am not obliged to read email from all senders, and above all, I do not have to explain myself and I don't have to keep them stored as to not infringe their right of expression.

Every decentralized protocol with any real world traction allows every actor to filter traffic in a permissionless manner. You can call it righteousness or as amoral as you'd like, but until you can present an alternative system that's how it's going to work.