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Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by the_gipsy »

emptysongglass wrote: post #115
wolverine876 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What forum are you talking about. All of Mastadon? Doesn't each instance have its own rules? > As someone who'd consider themselves progressive by the yardstick of 10 years ago but not measured to the new progressives of today ... > The New Left has become unrecognizable to me That's an expected phenomenon. What was progressive yesterday becomes conservative today - think of women's rights, interracial marriage, etc.…

> What forum are you talking about. All of Mastadon? Doesn't each instance have its own rules? It's one of the larger instances but the top heaviest constitute the majority by far and they all enshrine these policies. I don't think you're really answering my criticism. You're lumping my "retrograde" progressiveness in with the well-worn wheel of timely revolts against the corruption of the past. I'm saying that both…

One could also argue that the left has widened from being at the service of white male workers to a much broader range of minorities. That is, it is at the service of more people, but white males have lost the exclusive control of it.

There seems to be no middle ground anymore for white males that exclusively want to address labor issues. Perhaps it is true that to push for progress in labor, the root problem of the power dynamics must be addressed (i.e. you can't be colorblind here).

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

roenxi wrote: post #183
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #167

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Global warming will be by far the biggest challenge going forward. As long as parties on "the right" don't believe in it, or take it seriously or don't address it appropriately there is no way in hell for me to ever consider voting for anything on that spectrum. I can deal with a little over the top wokeness. I cannot deal with the destruction of the planet.

Hypothetical history books could one day read "and in 2023 the Russians nuked New York". Probably in some African script since they'd be talking about the end of civilisation in the northern hemisphere. While I don't want to try and defend every right wing policy, the crowd who think global warming is the biggest challenge we face have been outplayed by the very real disasters and escalations we've been facing since…

> the crowd who think global warming is the biggest challenge we face have been outplayed by the very real disasters and escalations we've been facing since 2020

That's why it will be very difficult for us to find any common ground. Even though I am very much a free market guy and definitely don't agree with every policy on the left. The right down plays, ignores or ridicules global warming. How one can read the IPCC report and doesn't feel any sense of urgency is beyond me. This shouldn't even be a left or right issue.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by hagbarth »

redeeman wrote: post #170
jeroenhd wrote: post #131

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In my experience, the blacklists are all pretty sensible. Mostly porn, neonazis, that kind of stuff. I haven't opened Gab in a while so I just loaded the front page, and I can see why Mastodon moderators don't want to deal with them either. The content is not as blatantly illegal as many other blacklisted sites, but the front page is incredibly toxic and hateful. I would block most of those posts if they woulf ever h…

its kinda easy to be labelled neonazi these days

Is it? Hasn't been a problem for me.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by gigatexal »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #33
nforgerit wrote: post #18

After about 6 months hosting my own little private Mastodon instance, I can say the following things: (1) Whoever cares about that but the atmosphere is nice, cozy, exciting and creative. Zero toxicity and probably several magnitudes more meaningful conversations with people from all around the world. This apparently comes from the kinds of people I could find and connect with. (2) Hosting is relatively easy. I think…

" Zero toxicity and probably several magnitudes more meaningful conversations with people from all around the world. This apparently comes from the kinds of people I could find and connect with. " So long as you lean to progressive worldviews and see insult slinging at those that don't see your way not as being toxic, but rather just expressions of righteous indignation... sure, I could buy that line. A quick perusal…

“ So long as you lean to progressive worldviews and see insult slinging at those that don't see your way not as being toxic, but rather just expressions of righteous indignation”

Oh stop with the wo is me… you could always change your views. I mean who doesn’t like the progressive ideals of inclusion and fairness? (And no, inclusion doesn’t mean I have to accommodate racists or nazis or other alt-right trolls, it also means though, that the crazies on the left spewing hate shouldn’t apply either).

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by [deleted] »

wolverine876 wrote: post #97
emptysongglass wrote: post #81

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As someone who'd consider themselves progressive by the yardstick of 10 years ago but not measured to the new progressives of today, the most visible toxic-but-cozy-because-our-silo was that BIPOC people don't need to use content warning (CW) labels when site guidelines say use CW labels on political toots. The reason given was that white people must not be able to opt out of the BIPOC experience of political outrage…

What forum are you talking about. All of Mastadon? Doesn't each instance have its own rules? > As someone who'd consider themselves progressive by the yardstick of 10 years ago but not measured to the new progressives of today ... > The New Left has become unrecognizable to me That's an expected phenomenon. What was progressive yesterday becomes conservative today - think of women's rights, interracial marriage, etc.…

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Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by crazygringo »

MisterSandman wrote: post #47
jacooper wrote: post #44

Honestly I really tried to use the fediverse, but its not good enough. Search is hot garbage, can't find anything useful, or what people are actually talking about, not that Twitters search is great by any measure. Missing content when visiting external content, cuz why would anyone ever want to see or search old content. Also most clients I have seen show replies in a really stupid way, you have to actively click to…

Is search really that big of a deal? > Outside of the English speaking indie-privacy-tech bubble (and germans seem to be very active on it too) its a ghost land. "Outside of the super-active communities using Mastodon everyday, it is a ghostland."

Yes, search is the main way to find the conversations people are having on a topic.

Search is a principal use case. It's not a small extra feature.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by M2Ys4U »

redeeman wrote: post #170
jeroenhd wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, the blacklists are all pretty sensible. Mostly porn, neonazis, that kind of stuff. I haven't opened Gab in a while so I just loaded the front page, and I can see why Mastodon moderators don't want to deal with them either. The content is not as blatantly illegal as many other blacklisted sites, but the front page is incredibly toxic and hateful. I would block most of those posts if they woulf ever h…

its kinda easy to be labelled neonazi these days

There are a lot of neonazis around these days...

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by throwaway6734 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #97
emptysongglass wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who'd consider themselves progressive by the yardstick of 10 years ago but not measured to the new progressives of today, the most visible toxic-but-cozy-because-our-silo was that BIPOC people don't need to use content warning (CW) labels when site guidelines say use CW labels on political toots. The reason given was that white people must not be able to opt out of the BIPOC experience of political outrage…

What forum are you talking about. All of Mastadon? Doesn't each instance have its own rules? > As someone who'd consider themselves progressive by the yardstick of 10 years ago but not measured to the new progressives of today ... > The New Left has become unrecognizable to me That's an expected phenomenon. What was progressive yesterday becomes conservative today - think of women's rights, interracial marriage, etc.…

I think what OP is describing is the modern let's turn away from liberalism and in some cases embracing race essentialism

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by graypegg »

brabel wrote: post #173
devjab wrote: post #154

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> So long as you lean to progressive worldviews and see insult slinging at those that don't see your way not as being toxic, but rather just expressions of righteous indignation. I'm not sure which mastodon server you are on, or which ones you're linked with, but I'm on Universeodon and I've frankly seen nothing of the sort. You do have a point of course, but I haven't seen any sort of toxic behaviour. Toxic and hate…

> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

This is an odd minority viewpoint for HN actually. I find most people feel rather empowered by the decentralized nature of mastodon… or email for that matter.

Your right to freedom of speech is between you and the government. People aren’t required to publish your work just because you complain.

The difference here is you can just hook into the same decentralized system the publisher is using, and subvert them by finding another instance to use or even making your own! With no difference in reach or power.

Why is that bad? The seems to be MUCH better for you.

Re: Mastodon hit 10M users

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Post by realjhol »

krapp wrote: post #180
brabel wrote: post #173

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> Toxic and hateful people simply get banned I don't know if that's supposed to sound like a good thing, but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. If you think "only bad people are toxic", you probably haven't been to many debates where your viewpoint happens to be the minority viewpoint.

>but to me this sounds like a distopian place where anyone that does not align with the "correct worldview" is made to disappear and never be heard of again. You misunderstand. Being banned from a Mastodon instance doesn't mean you disappear never to be heard from again. No one is going to try to murder you. You're still allowed to participate in society and communicate. Also, the "correct worldview" in this context…

I had to leave an instance because the maintainer said pro-life views were forbidden. Didn't matter whether you expressed them or not - the owner had a policy against private opinions.

I agree with your point about freedom of association, but let's not pretend this is just limited to racism.

And if you support the concept of free association, what do you do when it collides with civil rights law?

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