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Re: Leaving China

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Post by rendang »

hayst4ck wrote: post #81
ersiees wrote: post #3

Why do we call people expats and not rich migrants or something like that?

While there are very jaded views about cultural superiority and other things like that. I think the truth is probably less cynical. I can move to japan and marry a Japanese wife, work for a Japanese company, pay Japanese taxes, and speak fluent Japanese, but I will never be Japanese because my skin is white. People can move to America, and as long as you speak English without an accent, there is an assumption that yo…

The word is spelled expatriate, it isn't a derivative of "patriot" btw

Re: Leaving China

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Post by tomohelix »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #237
tomohelix wrote: post #101

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I don't think we have an alliance with Vietnam. AFAIK, there is no US base or military agreement or anything indicating a higher relationship than trade partner. In fact, a few times DC sent some diplomats to Vietnam, the govt over there responded by sending their diplomats to China. Basically saying they prefer China over the US. It makes sense to them since China is closer and have higher trade value than the US. B…

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/30/vietnamese-... I read this a few years ago, not sure how much it reflects reality. Anecdotally, immigration from Vietnam is still strong, except the more recent immigrants I've met are pro-communist (as opposed to the first and second generations of Vietnamese immediately following the war). I'd imagine that the US and Vietnam are allies in the same way that Israel and…

It is just an old poll. I don't think it is relevant. Public opinion doesn't mean much in authoritarian countries. It is what the Vietnamese government is doing that would reflect what they really think.

It is more likely that Vietnam is playing both sides and try to appease both China and the US. But no way they are an ally or even a potential one.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by danrocks »

tomohelix wrote: post #86
muyuu wrote: post #28

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India perhaps, in the long term, could challenge the US directly - but the idea that Vietnam or Thailand would openly challenge the USA in a hot conflict is laughable culture is not the reason these people are leaving China, but an open hostility towards foreigners during recent years that is creating a very difficult position for expats living there

Let say China and the US come into open conflict and everyone is forced to choose a side, which side do you think Vietnam will pick? China and Vietnam share a long history and culture. They are also right next to each other and have the same government type. Vietnam has openly showed their desire to work with China at the cost of the US. They sent some top diplomats to China right after the US diplomats came to visit…

If history shows anything is that Vietnam will defeat any other country. US, China, France, etc. they are simply invincible.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by jhanschoo »

nonethewiser wrote: post #55
hayst4ck wrote: post #24

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I am not an expat, but I was considering spending several months in China. After Hong Kong, there was a strong message of "Americans caused this," likewise after covid there was a strong message of "this didn't start in China, this actually started in America." It wasn't just a message of "America is our enemy," but looking at how the People in Hong Kong were robbed of due process from an impartial justice system it…

> Another woman I met on a plane said that the people who ran the school she taught at threatened to revoke her visa trapping her in China. She said she was leaving for "vacation" but was not going to go back. She was also visibly shaken. I know someone working as an architect in China and apparently his company holds onto his college degree. Hes concerned he won’t get it back if he doesn’t remain on good terms. I wa…

This is so weird, universities have a service that will clarify the enrolment of its alumni for a small fee, or replace diplomas.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by [deleted] »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #250
givemeethekeys wrote: post #156

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An immigrant hopes to settle down in the host country, have / grow a family there, own property and even become a citizen. Of course, if the host nation does not have a citizenship program for foreigners, then everyone who isn't a citizen is an expat. An expat hopes, even plans to move back to where they came from. They're in their host nation for work reasons only because, at least according to the expat, where they…

this distinction is pure fiction - when a UK pentioner retires in Spain, he is an expat. A spanish banker reassogned to London is somehow an immigrant .

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Re: Leaving China

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Post by imiric »

photochemsyn wrote: post #214

I suspect China's draconian, desperate attempt to eliminate Covid entirely was largely due to official guilt. They knew that their poorly managed reckless science program at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the source of the outbreak, and they wanted to somehow prove they could wipe the virus out entirely (which they couldn't). Eventually they had to give up. I wonder what happens to people in China who point this…

Let's entertain the possibility that China wasn't responsible for a lab leak, and that the zoonotic theory is true. Whatever the source, we know that the Wuhan wet market was a super-spreader event, which Chinese authorities concede. Following this, China grounded all domestic flights in January 2020, yet still allowed outbound international flights well into March 2020. Countries were left to ban flights from China on their own, which was a heavily politicized topic.

We can say that we don't have enough information to condemn them and all other countries involved in the lab leak theory, but this one mistake is solely on China's shoulders. Had they grounded all outbound international flights, countries would've had more time to prepare, yet we saw the meteoric rise in cases worldwide in February.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by bee_rider »

Animats wrote: post #164
WheatMillington wrote: post #71

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This reads like it was written by someone cosplaying as an adult. A college degree is not an irreplaceable piece of paper to be guarded with your life - otherwise it would live in a vault somewhere. You can trivially have the certificate reprinted.

Less true than it used to be. Here's Stanford's duplicate diploma ordering portal.[1] It's a big deal, there's a lot of verification, and it costs at least US$100. There's an easier way.[2] "But now it's easier than ever to purchase a fake copy of your diploma. At Same Day Diplomas, we provide high-quality copies of your college diploma. Our products are crafted to match the design, seals, and color of your universit…

A $100 cost seems like weak leverage to keep a person in a country.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by chii »

re-thc wrote: post #246
bryanlarsen wrote: post #144

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Hong Kong was promised to have democracy, human rights and access to China. If they had kept those promises, then I believe many Taiwanese would have welcomed reunification.

We all knew (hopefully) that would never happen (keep their promise). It's nothing China specific. Even lots of elected politicians fail on it in any country.

I think hindsight might've clouded your assessment of the attitude during the time pre-HK crackdown.

It was originally a time of optimistic hope that China would become more and more democratic, and the integration of HK back to the mainland will not have been hard (at least, china would meet somewhere in the middle).

Re: Leaving China

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Post by vkou »

hayst4ck wrote: post #116
coldtea wrote: post #92

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> Meanwhile, Taiwan’s value to the Chinese diaspora can’t be understated—it’s a bastion of a mandarin-speaking democracy. A bastion of democracy which has been a right wing dictatorship from its inception until the 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

I watched a Taiwanese election in Taiwan. I observed their polling stations. A Taiwanese citizen started a conversation and educated me, an American, on democracy and elections. This Taiwanese person told me that elections are for the loser. If the loser does not believe in the validity of the election, it serves no purpose. That's why electronic voting machines are anti-thetical to the purpose of an election. Electr…

> That's why electronic voting machines are anti-thetical to the purpose of an election

Losers who have stopped believing in elections will complain about any mechanism, be it electronic or analog.

(In the US, they typically don't believe the hand-recounts, either. They do believe in gerrymandering, and disenfranchisement, though, so that's how the game gets played.)

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