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Re: Leaving China

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Post by ashconnor »

jasonjei wrote: post #203
robomartin wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you wrap Singapore into your comment? I was recently there and took note of what looked like significant Chinese cultural influence almost everywhere.

Singapore is a republic with a large population of the Chinese diaspora. However, the control of government under its system has not changed parties since its independence from the UK (whether you agree or not, some have called it de facto single party state). Chinese culture is weaved extensively into its culture, including Chinese character names in identification cards for those that identify as Chinese ethnicity.…

Singapore is a complex beast. On the one hand, all the political tools to kick the PAP out exist. Elections are free albeit not entirely fair.

That said the PAP has used the legal system to exclude opposition candidates and the election districts are gerrymandered [0].

But even with these issues resolved I believe the PAP would still win elections [1]. They've steered the economy well. The PAP regularly receive praise here on HN because of their effective technocracy.

[0] - https://newnaratif.com/how-gerrymandering-creates-unfair-ele...

[1] - https://elections.viz.sg/

Re: Leaving China

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Post by danrocks »

okasaki wrote: post #238
charlieyu1 wrote: post #161

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And the result is mass exodus of Hongkongers, especially the younger generation. 110K people moved to UK alone in the last two years. That's 1.5% of population, and UK alone. People are leaving the city faster than back in East Germany before Berlin Wall. And why people born and raised in Hong Kong have to give way to privileged mainlanders who don't share any culture with us at all?

They may have moved, but how many will ultimately stay in the UK? I find that asians often have very rosy ideas about the UK, but once they're here they're bound to notice that it's a decaying shithole and leave. Or maybe commit suicide like that 27 year old woman in London.

Does it matter if they'll stay in the UK? It does not. What matters is that they felt persecuted at home and fled.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

re-thc wrote: post #228
photochemsyn wrote: post #214

I suspect China's draconian, desperate attempt to eliminate Covid entirely was largely due to official guilt. They knew that their poorly managed reckless science program at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the source of the outbreak, and they wanted to somehow prove they could wipe the virus out entirely (which they couldn't). Eventually they had to give up. I wonder what happens to people in China who point this…

They wanted to push their own locally developed vaccines, which didn't work as well so had no other choice. If they mass imported other vaccines it'd kill their own industries.

The west did not have 1 billion spare vaccines, they were short themselves for first 1.5 years

Re: Leaving China

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Post by xtian »

nebukhadnezzar wrote: post #126
RedCondor wrote: post #105

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What do you win or get out of the attempts to rewrite atrocities like they have never happened in history? What did the victims that died that week do to you? https://imgur.com/a/q8ZIS

How do you explain the US cables from that day that were leaked by Wikileaks which contradict the official Western narrative?

Re: Leaving China

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Post by re-thc »

addy34 wrote: post #231
scrubs wrote: post #97

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Although off topic from the original post, would you entertain this question? What's Taiwan's position on integration with China? What does Taiwan want for itself? I'd like to hear more about that minus American and Chinese input.

Having lived in Taiwan both before and after China's crackdown in Hong Kong, I can say that post crackdown, I haven't encountered a single Taiwanese that wants any integration with China. They just want to be Taiwanese, which after nearly a century of being an independently governed country, is very different from the life on mainland China. And yet most of the young people I encounter are somewhat resigned to the in…

Economical benefits has always been a hit and miss and lots of the older generation have learnt their lesson (even before the HK affair).

Lots of producers of different kinds have had their technologies copied, skills learnt and then abandoned for and only to hire them on a consultancy basis for when things break.

In hindsight it has likely hurt Taiwan's economy more than it has helped.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by re-thc »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #144
mytailorisrich wrote: post #122

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> and it seemed inevitable that China would absorb Taiwan. No, it's unrealistic to think the the ROC would ever effectively surrender to the PRC however HK's reintegration was managed.

Hong Kong was promised to have democracy, human rights and access to China. If they had kept those promises, then I believe many Taiwanese would have welcomed reunification.

We all knew (hopefully) that would never happen (keep their promise). It's nothing China specific. Even lots of elected politicians fail on it in any country.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by _kava »

croutonwagon wrote: post #145
tomohelix wrote: post #78

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I think for Vietnam, it is more that they couldn't afford to be repressive, not that they don't want to. They are still relatively underdeveloped. Cracking down too hard on dissidents would hurt their FDI from places like the US. Not to mention they probably don't have the money and manpower to spare on that. China was the same when they were at the stage Vietnam is in now. And it is very likely Vietnam will do what…

Thats fair. I have never been to China but have worked witb folks that have. They have to take some….extra precautions traveling there. Vietnam seems much more open. Their internet is largely open and accessible. Even easy to register sims. They have no quarantine or vaccine requirements for entry or visa etc. All in all much more open and light. Similarly in good company they would be fairly open about the governmen…

>Vietnam seems much more open. Their internet is largely open and accessible. Even easy to register sims. They have no quarantine or vaccine requirements for entry or visa etc.

This is patently false. I do not know what time period you went to Vietnam but recently their country literally went into lockdown and did not open until much later. They still require proof of vaccination to enter the country and I was told to present my ID and visa before I was allowed to get a sim card. They also blocked many social media and news sites like BBC. Any content remotely critical of the party over there is blocked and their authors arrested. It is very reminiscent of early China.

They definitely can ramp it up once they get their hands on more surveillance tech.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by re-thc »

okasaki wrote: post #238
charlieyu1 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the result is mass exodus of Hongkongers, especially the younger generation. 110K people moved to UK alone in the last two years. That's 1.5% of population, and UK alone. People are leaving the city faster than back in East Germany before Berlin Wall. And why people born and raised in Hong Kong have to give way to privileged mainlanders who don't share any culture with us at all?

They may have moved, but how many will ultimately stay in the UK? I find that asians often have very rosy ideas about the UK, but once they're here they're bound to notice that it's a decaying shithole and leave. Or maybe commit suicide like that 27 year old woman in London.

It might still be better than Asia with crazy working hours, bosses that call/text you outside of work non-stop, having to attend to work gatherings, working on weekends, etc.

Not like people don't commit suicide elsewhere. UK might not be the best but it's still a lot better than some places.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by threeseed »

okasaki wrote: post #238
charlieyu1 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the result is mass exodus of Hongkongers, especially the younger generation. 110K people moved to UK alone in the last two years. That's 1.5% of population, and UK alone. People are leaving the city faster than back in East Germany before Berlin Wall. And why people born and raised in Hong Kong have to give way to privileged mainlanders who don't share any culture with us at all?

They may have moved, but how many will ultimately stay in the UK? I find that asians often have very rosy ideas about the UK, but once they're here they're bound to notice that it's a decaying shithole and leave. Or maybe commit suicide like that 27 year old woman in London.

UK is far from a decaying shithole and based on recent polling many of the elements of Brexit may possibly be wound back in coming years so its future is far more optimistic.

And yet for all its problems it is still a modern, vibrant, multicultural, successful democracy on the doorstep of Europe. Which is why so many people continue to emigrate there.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #156
maskedinvader wrote: post #129

Can we at HN at-least refer to the author as immigrant as opposed to expats? what's an expat anyways ? why does the western world to get to make these tiers where they are expats but arabs, asians, africans etc are all immigrants ?

An immigrant hopes to settle down in the host country, have / grow a family there, own property and even become a citizen. Of course, if the host nation does not have a citizenship program for foreigners, then everyone who isn't a citizen is an expat. An expat hopes, even plans to move back to where they came from. They're in their host nation for work reasons only because, at least according to the expat, where they…

this distinction is pure fiction - when a UK pentioner retires in Spain, he is an expat.

A spanish banker reassogned to London is somehow an immigrant .

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