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Re: Leaving China

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Post by adastra22 »

Animats wrote: post #164
WheatMillington wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like it was written by someone cosplaying as an adult. A college degree is not an irreplaceable piece of paper to be guarded with your life - otherwise it would live in a vault somewhere. You can trivially have the certificate reprinted.

Less true than it used to be. Here's Stanford's duplicate diploma ordering portal.[1] It's a big deal, there's a lot of verification, and it costs at least US$100. There's an easier way.[2] "But now it's easier than ever to purchase a fake copy of your diploma. At Same Day Diplomas, we provide high-quality copies of your college diploma. Our products are crafted to match the design, seals, and color of your universit…

…so? I never even received my degree certificate. It is a meaningless piece of paper. If an employer wants to verify my credentials, they don’t ask for it. They call/email the school.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by markus_zhang »

For me the biggest issue is that the bureaucracy has a lot of free hands in legislation. Each office can push out some regulation to go around the requirement for a proper legislation, which usually takes years.

Also the mindset of deciding for the people instead of deciding by the people is pretty unpopular but people can't do much. The cultural inertia is strong. Whenever there is an issue, people automatically turn to a bigger government. The government tries to manage everything from the top, which creates a huge chain of issues.

This all looks fine when the economy is good and booming, but when not then it's a different story. Basically the people transfer all power to the government in exchange for prosperity. Chinese people are materialistic in heart so a better material life mitigates all other problems. But what if everyone has to sacrifice for the "common" goal set from the top? It's hard to tell.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

RedCondor wrote: post #132
nebukhadnezzar wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you win or get out of the attempts to rewrite atrocities like they have never happened in history? What did the victims that died that week do to you? https://imgur.com/a/q8ZIS

I'm Latin American and very, very happy we have China as an alternative to America's tyrannical Monroe Doctrine. The demonization of China feels incredibly absurd, like when someone wearing an exceedingly ugly outfit, lacking self-awareness, tries to criticize someone else's fashion.

Do you mean like you demonise the United States?

Lacking self-awareness indeed.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by kzrdude »

y0ssar1an wrote: post #169

The Chinese invasion of Taiwan is inevitable. When it happens, every Western company will suddenly have to pull out, just like they did Russia. The losses for Western companies will be tremendous. For some, it will be a mortal blow. I can hear some of you saying "...but, but, China would never... because that would be so stupid...". It doesn't have to be a good idea! Russia's invasion of Ukraine a) wasn't a good idea…

It was very worrying (albeit not surprising, of course) when Xi passed the threshold of the third term and officially is trying to make himself an indefinite ruler of China. The shift towards more one-man rule puts them on the path you outlined.

If financial forces were any use they should already now divest from China as hard as they can.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by adastra22 »

andrekandre wrote: post #163
hayst4ck wrote: post #81

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While there are very jaded views about cultural superiority and other things like that. I think the truth is probably less cynical. I can move to japan and marry a Japanese wife, work for a Japanese company, pay Japanese taxes, and speak fluent Japanese, but I will never be Japanese because my skin is white. People can move to America, and as long as you speak English without an accent, there is an assumption that yo…

> I will never be Japanese because my skin is white. for some reason i find this statement kind of strange... are you saying "japanese" to mean "fit in as japanese" or "japanese nationality"? > and as long as you speak English without an accent, there is an assumption that you are American. n=1 but this has not been my experience.... > and speak fluent Japanese without accent?

Not the person you are replying to, but I have experience here. It’s both. For most Japanese, nationality is intrinsically tied to ethnicity, and cannot be changed.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by paxys »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #180
paxys wrote: post #160

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The author has lived there for 20 years, married there, has kids who go to local schools, yet calls himself an expat, and everyone here seems to accept that as an obvious truth. Meanwhile a million+ people coming to the USA on temporary work visas fully intending to go back to their home country (or illegally with no path to citizenship) are obviously immigrants. At some point people have to come to terms that this i…

China does not have a citizenship program. If you are not born Chinese, you will never be Chinese. Everyone who moves to China is an expat. What you call yourself, "immigrant" or "expat" is up to you. For example, plenty of Indians call themselves expats in the US. Other Indians call themselves immigrants. Personally, I'm a fan of the word "alien". God Bless America! :D

Millions of people live in the USA right now with no path to citizenship yet have never been called expats.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by adastra22 »

908B64B197 wrote: post #20
ersiees wrote: post #3

Why do we call people expats and not rich migrants or something like that?

There's a legal distinction. At least in America. An immigrant has an intent to settle, an expat doesn't. In America, one could theoretically lose work authorization should he refer or present himself as an immigrant.

Uh, no. The only legal definition of expat in US law is someone who gives up their citizenship or green card.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by albertopv »

RedCondor wrote: post #132
nebukhadnezzar wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you win or get out of the attempts to rewrite atrocities like they have never happened in history? What did the victims that died that week do to you? https://imgur.com/a/q8ZIS

I'm Latin American and very, very happy we have China as an alternative to America's tyrannical Monroe Doctrine. The demonization of China feels incredibly absurd, like when someone wearing an exceedingly ugly outfit, lacking self-awareness, tries to criticize someone else's fashion.

And yet you are writing it on an american website and no one is censoring you. In China you have to be very careful of what you say and write, or you may just disappear from society, they don't need to kill anyone anymore, they even did it to former president, live. They remove you and that's it.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by SkyMarshal »

ren_engineer wrote: post #80
FpUser wrote: post #70

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Things do change over the time. And if you are so willing to look back I am sure you'll find enough trash in a history of your own country.

I mean change in the talking point at the time that if we just kept throwing money at China they'd magically become a democracy. As long as the CCP is in charge that's not happening and should have been clear based off Tiananmen. Allowing them into the WTO and continuing to trade with them just made their power stronger. Going to be seen as a huge blunder historically

Completely agree. There was even historical evidence that narrative was wrong and that an authoritarian government could co-exist with an industrial economy - pre-WWII Germany and Japan. Development, industrialization, and capitalism don’t automatically bring democracy, freedoms, and political liberalization. That was all just a BS fiction foisted on the US public and policy class by voracious banks, corps, and their media.

That was a decision that never should have been taken, due to the terrible risk of how things would turn out if it failed, as it did. This was possibly the most disastrous strategic blunder in America’s history. Like yanking defeat from the jaws of victory in the Cold War.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by robomartin »

jasonjei wrote: post #63

I used to travel to China all the time for work during my first job in 2008. Those times were super optimistic. Hong Kong was filled with Chinese pride, and it seemed inevitable that China would absorb Taiwan. China had just hosted the Olympics. I visited Hong Kong late 2018 after many years of not having been there. It was a very different place from the Hong Kong I had visited in 2009-2011. The energy was a bit dar…

How would you wrap Singapore into your comment? I was recently there and took note of what looked like significant Chinese cultural influence almost everywhere.
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